Xubuntu_2006-05-03
03:35 nomed hi all 03:35 jsgotangco hi 03:36 janimo hi all 03:37 freeflying hi all 03:37 nomed agenda ? 03:37 nomed i hadn't the time to write down anything :( 03:38 janimo no agenda as usual :) 03:38 jsgotangco heh 03:38 janimo we can talk about anything 03:38 janimo like current status 03:38 janimo or whatever comes up 03:38 jsgotangco is flight 7 being baked for xubuntu? 03:38 nomed janimo, ok 03:39 nomed i can explain the current status of the icon theme 03:39 nomed that i would see on next release if possible 03:39 nomed but i guess i'm in late === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 03:40 nomed i still didn't send the patch as i would get more feedbacks by xfce upstreamers 03:40 janimo nomed, xfce upstream seems positive about it. 03:40 janimo did you get in contact with tango? === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 03:40 nomed as there is something that should be fixed 03:40 janimo jsgotangco: yes tomorrow is flight 7 03:40 nomed janimo, dobey is waiting 03:40 janimo just found out :) 03:40 janimo nomed: waiting for what? 03:40 nomed i send the patch 03:41 nomed but i asked to upstreamer to change some desktop files 03:41 janimo oh, so you're waiting for him? 03:41 nomed no answers about that 03:41 nomed solution: 03:41 nomed or add not-needed icons name to xl file 03:41 nomed and i do not like it very much 03:41 nomed or patch desktop files 03:41 nomed and i do not like it very much 03:42 nomed no reason for having xfce4-settings and xfce-settings-show 03:43 nomed same icon ... 03:43 nomed different name 03:43 nomed same app 03:43 nomed one is used within the desktop file the other within the menu 03:45 nomed janimo, same for xfprint and xfce4-printer 03:45 nomed and some others 03:45 janimo I remember that part of your mail upstream 03:45 janimo I guess you could sent a patch to xfce bugzilla for it 03:45 janimo they should apply it 03:45 janimo I'd not like to patch our packages too much if it can be done via upstream 03:46 janimo although xfprint author is busy nowadays 03:46 nomed janimo, absolutely yes 03:46 nomed ok i'll do that 03:46 janimo nomed: ok thanks 03:46 nomed i'll send patches over bugzilla 03:46 janimo it should not be too many sources referencing those icons 03:46 janimo maybe only .desktop files 03:46 nomed yes 03:46 janimo ok make sure it's against svn trunk 03:47 janimo since we are not quite the same 03:47 nomed but i 'm goinging to choose icon naming entries for them 03:47 janimo very close but not up to date 03:47 janimo sure 03:47 nomed it would be nice to have some serious feedbacks 03:47 nomed anyway they told me they 'll trust 03:47 nomed and i do not wait anymore 03:47 janimo yes 03:48 nomed then ... 03:48 janimo right the sooner the more chances we have to get them in by dapper 03:48 nomed for the xfce-settings-show panel|dialog or whatever you want to call it :) 03:48 nomed we need to choose a gtk2-theme for xubuntu 03:49 nomed and add gtk-icon-theme="Tango" 03:49 nomed or Tango-xfce or Xubuntu-icons 03:49 nomed or the gtk theme icons will not show up 03:50 janimo how does that app differ from the rest that it has these errors? 03:50 nomed it loads first icons 03:50 janimo what does it have to do with the gtk2-them? 03:50 janimo ah, hardcoded icons? 03:50 nomed more or less 03:50 nomed janimo, i didn't check the code 03:51 nomed but i've had the impression that there is something wrong on the sequence 03:51 janimo so does the code need to be changed (in principle) to use a specific gtk2-theme? 03:51 nomed janimo, not really 03:51 janimo I wonder how xfce devs handle this since they use othere gtk/icon themes too 03:51 nomed you can just add gtk-icon-theme="Foo" 03:51 nomed to the $HOME/gtkrc-2.0 03:51 janimo in the .desktop ? 03:51 janimo we cannot add stuff to $HOME 03:51 nomed or gtkrc 03:52 janimo the most we can to is add default configs to /etc/xdg 03:52 nomed janimo, yes 03:52 janimo which we already do for gtk and icons theme 03:52 janimo clearlooks+tango 03:52 nomed that's why i told you we should choose a gtk2-theme 03:52 nomed then to that file 03:52 nomed "gtkrc" 03:52 janimo if that apps disregards these settings it need to be fixed by another approach 03:53 nomed we echo gtk-theme-icon=Tango 03:53 janimo but we should not create stuff in $HOME 03:53 janimo that's against the rules 03:53 nomed janimo, can't we have a gtkrc theme for xubuntu ? 03:54 janimo nomed sure 03:54 nomed a debian native pkge ? 03:54 janimo but not put in home 03:54 nomed janimo, or or :) 03:54 janimo well is that different than the gtk engine? 03:54 nomed or in $HOME/gtkrc-2.0 03:54 janimo we have gtk2-engines-xfce already 03:54 nomed or in /usr/share/themes/Xubuntu/gtk-2.0/gtkrc === jarufe [n=jarufe@pc-155-140-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:55 janimo nomed, packages MUST NOT touch stuff in $HOME :) 03:55 nomed janimo, ok :D 03:55 janimo the second is ok 03:55 nomed so /usr/share/themes/Xubuntu/gtk-2.0/gtkrc 03:55 janimo but I wonder if the default theme does not do that alreday 03:55 nomed i was just explaining all the solutions :) 03:55 nomed janimo, no 03:55 nomed it always uses Rodent icons 03:56 nomed even if they do not really exist 03:56 janimo dpkg -L gtk2-engines-xfce 03:56 nomed more then hardcoded === luzi [n=luzi@dhcp-202-53-vpn.unizh.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:56 janimo there are plenty of gtkrc files there 03:56 nomed janimo, we'll do that just for xubuntu theme 03:56 janimo but none is the default rigth now 03:56 nomed and we'll explain how to have it working on other themes 03:56 janimo but the ubuntu theme is clearlooks now do you mean we change it? 03:57 nomed if we can't find a way to patch xfce-mcs-plugins 03:57 janimo I am still a bit confused by the difference between gtk engines and themes though 03:57 nomed janimo, ehhehe 03:57 nomed yep 03:57 nomed we'll not touch the engine 03:57 nomed just the theme 03:57 janimo the engines is code which comes with some themes which add soem touch to it 03:57 janimo eight? 03:57 janimo right? 03:58 nomed the engine is what the gtkrc uses 03:58 nomed within gtkrc you set colors for ex 03:58 janimo so we have the clearlooks theme set by default which I assume uses the clearlooks engine === janimo checks 03:58 nomed yes 03:58 nomed not the ubuntulook one 03:58 janimo indeed 03:59 nomed janimo, what you have to check is 03:59 janimo so we can patch one of the gtk2-engines-xfce themes to use the clearlooks engine 03:59 nomed /usr/share/themes/ 03:59 janimo and tweak it to whatever it takes to get the icons right 03:59 nomed janimo, nhaa 03:59 nomed wait 04:00 nomed gtkrc file is what is called gtk2-theme-foo 04:00 janimo indeed === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Xubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 04 May 02:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 10 May 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 10 May 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 11 May 08:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team 04:00 nomed that depends on gtk2-engine 04:00 nomed we can for ex 04:00 nomed momdify ubuntulooks gtkrc file 04:00 nomed the ubuntu default theme 04:00 nomed in a way it'll use the colors we like 04:00 nomed and add to it 04:01 nomed gtk-icon-theme="Tango" 04:01 janimo you dont't mean modify but copy and modify right? :) 04:01 nomed yes 04:01 nomed :) 04:01 janimo is the icon-theme part of the gtkrc?? 04:02 nomed janimo, anyway it would be nice if source could be patched 04:02 nomed xfce source of xfce-settings-show 04:02 janimo nomed, if upstream does not answer shortly I'll look at the source 04:02 nomed so icon-theme doesn't need to be part of gtkrc file 04:02 janimo I tmay be rodent is hardcoded and that's all 04:03 nomed janimo, i see benny is cleaning stuff 04:03 janimo we have another bug (again) preferred applictaions do not have a mcs entry icon 04:03 janimo it used to work once 04:03 nomed i hope he'll find the time to check it 04:09 janimo anyhtng else to discuss? 04:09 janimo questions? 04:09 janimo does anyone use xubuntu here with non-english locale? 04:10 janimo if so is there anything that can be improved in this regard? === No1Viking [n=No4Vikin@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:14 _sHaDe chi usa evolution di voi? 04:16 janimo _sHaDe: /join #ubuntu 04:16 _sHaDe ? 04:16 _sHaDe sorry :) 04:16 janimo use the #ubuntu channel for user request :) === nomed [n=nomed@host50-56.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:24 nomed umm ... 04:25 nomed janimo, is it fine for u if i patch ubuntu pckges .. <-- could u read this ? 04:25 janimo nope 04:25 nomed i was talking alone 04:25 nomed :) 04:25 janimo did not see any movement in the past 20 minutes 04:25 janimo :) 04:26 nomed yes .. i was talking with me :D 04:27 nomed http://phpfi.com/115896 04:31 janimo nomed, just bugzilla patches firts 04:31 janimo then I'll upload as they apply them 04:31 janimo as for orage plugin the panel I agree 04:32 janimo in the panel I mean 04:32 janimo I don;t think I changed anything in the mcs -lugins package but I'll check === strapal [n=strapal@dsl51B676F3.pool.t-online.hu] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 04:33 janimo nomed, I think the exec is ok there since it will mostly be called from the menu not directly from cmdline 04:33 janimo so /usr/lib is ok imho 04:34 janimo wait. 04:34 janimo upstream and us both install in /usr/bin 04:34 nomed janimo, dpkg -L orage | grep orage_plugin ? 04:35 nomed is it ok ? 04:35 janimo you mean a and .la? 04:35 janimo I have to delete those 04:35 janimo or something else? 04:37 janimo nomed, can you mail me these concerns? 04:37 janimo need to go away for a while 04:37 janimo thanks
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