UbuntuDev_2006-07-27
01:02 mdz good morning folks
01:02 ogra hmm
01:02 mdz do we have everyone?
01:02 seb128 hi mdz
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01:03 Mithrandir pong
=== pitti yawns a 'yes'
01:03 mdz BenC is on holiday
01:03 fschoep kwwii: I feel your pain, same problem here although for a different reason.
01:03 pitti right, pokering himself rich
=== mvo is here
01:03 dholbach here
01:03 zul here..
01:03 doko core dump
01:04 mdz Kamion,fabbione,Keybuk,sfllaw,rodarvus,Riddell,iwj: ping
01:04 Kamion here
01:04 rodarvus mdz, pong
01:04 fabbione mdz: yeps i am here
01:04 Kamion (was talking before you arrived, didn't realise you had no scrollback)
01:04 Keybuk mdz: yes, here
01:04 mdz Kamion: iwj doesn't seem to be online; could you ring him?
01:04 Riddell pong
01:04 ogra doko, stp throwing your peach leftovers around
01:04 ogra *stop
01:04 Kamion I understood iwj was sending an update via sfllaw
01:04 Kamion isn't he travelling?
01:05 ogra on a marriage iirc
01:05 mdz oh, right, he's off today
01:05 Kamion yes he's going to the same wedding tomorrow that I am but travelling earlier
01:05 sfllaw It's not in my inbox...
01:05 sfllaw I'll look again.
01:06 mdz ok, let's get started
01:06 sfllaw Mmm. Nope.
01:06 mdz fschoep requested an early slot, so he's up first
01:06 mdz fschoep: go
01:06 fschoep Done:
01:06 fschoep * wide-theme-selector: contacted bersace to update spec
01:06 fschoep * write up technical limitations / possibilities for artwork targets based on existing documentations
01:06 fschoep * community artwork checkpoint one
01:06 fschoep * sudden vacation
01:06 fschoep Ongoing:
01:06 fschoep * ubuntu-art-login-manager, ubuntu-art-login-splash, ubuntu-art-usplash, ubuntu-art-wallpaper: ongoing proposals, made sketches for usplash and GDM theme
01:06 fschoep * art-polish-human-gtk-theme: identify areas for improvement
01:06 fschoep * ubuntu-art-complete-highcontrast-icons, art-polish-human-icons: find and document icons which need work
01:06 fschoep * wide-theme-selector: fix spec, determine feasibility
01:07 fschoep In the spotlight this week:
01:07 fschoep * community artwork finishes Propose phase, gather results, summarize and decide direction for artwork production
01:07 Kamion sfllaw: he phoned me earlier this evening and was definitely intending to send an update. Must have got stuck in a mail queue somewhere. :-(
01:07 mdz fschoep: art-polish-human-icons has status Unknown; is it started or no?
01:08 mdz fschoep: also, cd-dvd-artwork has status Needs Infrastructure, but I don't see anything in the status whiteboard which explains what infrastructure it's waiting on
01:08 fschoep Well, it is started, but not in the sense that icons are being produced. I'm finishing up the list of work.
01:08 mdz fschoep: I'd call a-p-h-g-t Started then
01:08 fschoep OK
01:08 kwwii mdz: on the DVD artwork side, I guess I could add a few questions to that
01:09 kwwii erm cd-dvd-artwork
01:09 fschoep For the media artwork - I haven't decided yet if we want to do it with the community.
01:09 kwwii I will ask a few questions :-)
01:09 mdz kwwii: note that it's possible that we won't send Edgy CDs via shipit, but rather continue to ship Dapper CDs
01:10 mdz that's why that item is deprioritized, fwiw
01:10 kwwii at least we should get a general idea of what kind of graphics are necessary for that before we even start suggesting anything
01:10 Keybuk mdz: really? that's, err, interesting
01:10 mdz Keybuk: it's, err, complicated
01:10 kwwii mdz: even so, starting a new design idea would be a good idea, I think (if we could pull it off decently)
01:10 mdz we can chat about it later if you like
01:11 mdz fschoep: thanks for the update
01:11 mdz kwwii: next?
01:12 mdz kwwii: if you aren't prepared, we'll need to come back to you
01:12 mdz doko: next
01:12 doko - this week
01:12 doko openoffice.org: 2.0.3 packages in edgy and dapper-proposed, still need work before the next knot, next upload will have again native amd64 packages called -experimental.
01:12 doko edgy-toolchain: glibc FTBFS with -fstack-protector, beeing worked on; glibc ABI problems with long-double-128 on sparc and powerpc, beeing worked on; backport and test of the -mtune=generic patches for gcc-4.1, build gnat-4.1 from separate sources
01:12 doko other: some sync request, mostly python related, ia32-libs* updates
01:12 doko - next week
01:12 doko openoffice.org: 2.0.3 packages for dapper-proposed, so that we can have a decision about including these in the dapper point release.
01:13 doko more openoffice.org work
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01:13 doko all other specs: no progress this week
01:13 mdz doko: I did an emergency upgrade of my desktop to amd64 today; I'm interested in testing the oo.o stuff
01:13 pitti me too :)
01:13 mdz doko: earlier today, oo.o upgrade was impossible on i386. is that sorted now?
01:13 doko mdz: will have to wait for the next upload; will do that tomorrow
01:14 doko mdz: I know the bugs and fixes, fixed for the next upload
01:14 kwwii mdz: ready now...
01:14 mdz ok
01:14 mdz doko: is that the only fallout from -fstack-protector so far? should we do a full rebuild test?
01:15 Kamion yaboot broke too
01:15 pitti mdz: glibc is special since it does some runtime detection of ssp and uses it for only some files
01:15 mdz doko: is the python transition complete for main, or do some still remain? if so, is there a list?
01:15 doko mdz: I would propose to do that one after the -mtune-generic update
01:15 mdz ok
01:15 pitti mdz: don't we do rebuild tests anyway?
01:15 doko mdz: it's difficult to tell, because we didn't remove old packages yet.
01:15 pitti closer to the release, at least
01:15 doko python2.4-XXX
01:15 mdz pitti: yes, but not until later
01:15 Kamion doko: on the contrary I've removed most of the python ones
01:16 Kamion I left out a couple where the new versions hadn't built yet
01:16 doko Kamion: ohh, didn't know. will check tomorrow
01:16 mdz doko: the ones which are obsolete should show up in anastacia
01:16 Kamion but I think I got everything else
01:17 mdz doko: ok, thanks
01:17 mdz kwwii: next
01:17 Kamion (haven't removed all other NBS binaries yet, though I've done some; it takes a while)
01:17 Kamion (if you're being careful anyway)
01:17 kwwii more and more input coming from the community...lots of time spent on
01:17 kwwii irc
01:17 kwwii hacking on kdm theme. Implemented various ideas using the xml from
01:17 kwwii dapper as well (those on the wiki)
01:17 Keybuk Kamion: I've tended to do them while doing the NEW queue
01:17 kwwii tweaking icons for qt bzr ui
01:17 kwwii worked on wallpaper variants (http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Kubuntu-
01:17 kwwii Edgy-Ideas)
01:17 Keybuk though that's mostly NBS due to soname change
01:17 kwwii working on the default color scheme (computing color contrasts,
01:17 kwwii tweaking palette)
01:17 kwwii working on buttons for window deco (and kdm)
01:17 kwwii ouch
01:17 kwwii that did not come out how I wanted it, sorry
01:17 mdz kwwii: try not to word-wrap next time; it'll go faster
01:18 kwwii mdz: sorry
01:18 mdz kwwii: thanks
01:18 kwwii should I repost, line for line?
01:18 mdz Mithrandir: next
01:18 Mithrandir sane-installer-keyboard: a fair amount of progress. Tested the latest version of console-setup from Debian and apart from some minor faff, it appears to work. Will hand over to Colin before going on vacation.
01:18 mdz kwwii: no, that's OK
01:18 Mithrandir live-cd-stacked-filesystems: casper side implemented, server side discussed with Adam.
01:18 Mithrandir other specs: no progress
01:18 Mithrandir misc: gotten in touch with the Debian people about casper again, relationship working better now.
01:18 Mithrandir next week: vacation. I'll be away until the distro sprint for wedding preparations, wedding and honeymoon. Colin or Adam (I think) will handle knot-2 and I'll be back for knot-3.
01:18 mdz kwwii,fschoep: if you're dividing the artwork specs between you, please set Assignee accordingly so it's clear who is doing what
01:18 Mithrandir Kamion: I'll mail you about the sane-installer-keyboard stuff since you're gone tomorrow.
01:18 Kamion Mithrandir: thanks
01:18 mdz Mithrandir: please update s-i-k status in LP
01:19 fschoep mdz: sounds like a plan, right now we're using ubuntu-art as a general assignee.
01:19 Mithrandir mdz: willdo
01:19 mdz Mithrandir: I'd like to hear about the casper relationship outside of the meeting, especially if there's any hope of getting them to participate in revision control properly
01:20 mdz Kamion: confirm that you'll fill in for knot-2?
01:20 Kamion mdz: yes
01:20 mdz ok
01:20 kwwii mdz: all the specs for Edgy are for both Ubuntu and Kubuntu (and Xubuntu as well, I guess)
01:20 mdz Mithrandir: thanks, and enjoy your break
01:20 Mithrandir mdz: they seem to do that now; now I just miss cherrypicking in bzr..
01:20 mdz rodarvus: next
01:20 rodarvus Done This week:
01:20 rodarvus * Finished X.Org libs update to 7.1 (actually, to the latest version available, most of them, past 7.1), Mesa 6.5, xorg-server 1.1.1 (with new ABI)
01:20 rodarvus * Updated X.Org input drivers to latest version available (+ accomodate xorg-server ABI bump)
01:20 rodarvus * Started X.Org video drivers to latest version available (+ accomodate xorg-server ABI bump)
01:20 rodarvus * Started implementation of fully-automatic-swap-server
01:20 rodarvus * Work on i810 bugs on LaunchPad (escalated support requests)
01:20 rodarvus * Miscelaneous Edubuntu work
01:20 rodarvus Next week:
01:21 rodarvus * Finish update of X.Org video drivers (another 6-8 hours of work)
01:21 rodarvus * Finish implementation of fully-automatic-swap-server
01:21 rodarvus * Finish catching up with X bugs (primarily based on result from libs + drivers upgrades) (postponed from last week)
01:21 rodarvus Soon (no timeframe):
01:21 rodarvus * Officially start Ubuntu OLPC effort
01:21 rodarvus * Investigate other Linux distros (Fedora, OpenSuSE, etc) for nice X.Org patches which are not included in Ubuntu)
01:21 rodarvus Outsanding issues:
01:21 rodarvus * xorg-server (on sparc) and xserver-xorg-input-evie (all archs) FTBFS due to missing includes - check possible update of l-k-h with BenC and fabbione
01:21 rodarvus Apologies:
01:21 rodarvus * For publishing xorg-server before I had all X.Org {input|video} drivers ready to be uploaded - I was unaware of the ABI upgrade (rationale: I tested upgrade locally on two different machines, but as they use binary drivers, they were unnafected by this bug)
01:21 rodarvus (finally, sorry for the long report, I'll try to trim it next time)
01:21 sfllaw rodarvus: The xserver-xorg-video-* packages don't upgrade cleanly. I think they need a Replaces: line in debian/control.
01:21 Mithrandir rodarvus: have you any thoughts on the "dualhead with two cards broken in dapper" bug? I'm thinking we should do an xserver-xorg update for it.
01:21 mdz rodarvus: I think we need for xserver-xorg-core to conflict with the versions of the drivers which use the old ABI in order to resolve the bug I filed
01:22 mdz oherwise they can get out of sync
01:22 rodarvus sfllaw, they already have a replaces tag there.
01:22 Kamion probably Breaks now
01:22 sfllaw I'm blind.
01:22 Kamion (now that we have it)
01:22 mdz rodarvus: it might be a good idea to add a Provides: to xserver-xorg-core for the ABI version, and have the drivers depend on that
01:22 rodarvus Mithrandir, I think so, lets talk about this after the meeting, or tomorrow
01:22 mdz Kamion: unless I missed something, only dpkg has it
01:22 Keybuk mdz: according to the spec, APT isn't supposed to need to know about it
01:22 Kamion mdz: yes, we should start using it where appropriate though
01:22 Keybuk other than for prettyness
01:23 Mithrandir rodarvus: tomorrow's fine.
01:23 rodarvus mdz, hmm, yeah, I think you're right - I'll update xorg-server later
01:23 rodarvus (today, I mean)
01:23 sfllaw rodarvus: Nope. xserver-xorg-video-all doesn't.
01:23 mdz Keybuk: hmm, I ought to have a look over that
01:23 rodarvus mdz, regarding abi version, yes, this is planned too
01:23 mdz I'd expect the ordering mechanism to need to know about it
01:23 rodarvus sfllaw, oh, so this one is missing - thanks for the report
01:23 rodarvus I'll update it too
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01:23 mdz rodarvus: ok, thanks
01:23 mdz sfllaw: next
01:23 sfllaw Done
01:23 sfllaw * OttawaLinuxSymposium 2006
01:23 sfllaw * Gave a talk at the UniversityOfWaterloo
01:23 sfllaw To do
01:23 sfllaw * Write up Waterloo experience
01:24 sfllaw * Test plans for new features: QuietenGrub, ReviveTaskSel, HomeUserBackup
01:24 sfllaw * Bug triaging
01:24 mdz sfllaw: did you hear something back from the LP folks about getting bug stats?
01:24 Kamion sfllaw: happy to talk with you early next week about revive-tasksel if you need that
01:25 sfllaw mdz: That's something I have to write to them about. I hadn't collected what I wanted to and e-mail was sporadic at the conference.
01:25 sfllaw Kamion: That would be lovely.
01:25 ogra the new Ubugtu feature is really nice btw ...
01:25 mdz sfllaw: thanks
01:25 dholbach yeah
01:25 mdz fabbione: next
01:25 zul sfllaw: if you need help with quietengrub im avaialble as well
01:25 sfllaw We can thank Seveas for that.
01:25 fabbione Done
01:25 fabbione * ubuntu-edgy-cluster: lot of work on the redhat-cluster-suite again. We have 2
01:25 fabbione regressions to fix compared to dapper but generally it doesn't look too bad.
01:25 fabbione * finally got pkgsum.u.c up and running (server spec from dapper) so i might up
01:25 fabbione load the client for edgy when i am back and after retesting it with the new inst
01:25 fabbione aller.
01:25 fabbione To do
01:25 fabbione * become a father, no really.
01:25 mdz ogra: what new Ubugtu feature?
01:26 dholbach mdz: announce of new bugs in #ubuntu-bugs
01:26 mdz fabbione: fabbione-birthing, Priority: Essential
01:26 fabbione mdz: ehehhe
01:26 mdz dholbach: oh, nice
01:26 ogra mdz, see -devel
01:26 dholbach it's quite depressing, but nice
01:26 sfllaw It's more frequent than I thought it'd be.
01:26 sfllaw And I'm pessimistic.
01:26 sfllaw fabbione: Congrats!
01:26 mdz it's about as frequent as I thought it would be
01:26 seb128 mdz: not that nice after reading the chan for some hours and noticing how they come :/
01:27 mdz sfllaw: should hopefully provide a good entry point for new volunteers
01:27 mdz seb128: maybe there should be a separate channel
01:27 doko fabbione: the status is already "implemented"?
01:27 mdz seb128: or separate main and universe
01:27 mdz fabbione: thanks
01:27 mdz Kamion: next
01:27 seb128 separate main and universe would be nice
01:27 fabbione thanks guys :)
01:27 Kamion Done:
01:27 Kamion revive-tasksel: Done except for a pending Soyuz patch to make the archive side work (sent to Celso and waiting for deployment). I tested the whole thing today and it seems to be working OK.
01:27 Kamion ubiquity: Continued with the big pile of bug-fixing and produced an initial dapper-updates upload.
01:28 Kamion ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Some more prodding at the custom disk bar widgets; not getting very far here, so I'm switching to writing the partman debconffilter glue and am making much better progress there. If anyone would like to volunteer to help write custom GTK (and Qt?) widgets to my specifications, that would be great. Doing them in Python where possible is fine.
01:28 Kamion libata-for-all-ata-disks: Did most of the required installer changes in conjunction with Scott et al. Some bootloader installer changes may still be needed.
01:28 Kamion To do:
01:28 Kamion ubiquity: Didn't get to #47742 last week, so try again this week.
01:28 Kamion ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Finish initial attempt at the partman glue. I'd like to have an initial crude presentation without the disk bar widgets by the end of next week if I can manage it.
01:28 Kamion dapper-point-release-process: Do the first Dapper point release. Most of the pieces are in place now; if you know of something that needs to go in, please tell me as soon as possible! (If I can squeeze in some required SPARC fixes, I will.)
01:28 mdz Kamion: do you have an approximate timeline for the point release?
01:29 Kamion mdz: I'd like it to end by the middle of next week; if infinity could start on livefs builds tomorrow, that would be lovely
01:29 mdz Kamion: if you send me an email with a description of what you need for the UI, I think we should be able to get some pygtk muscle with no problem. perhaps Riddell can suggest someone for the Qt side
01:29 fabbione Kamion: please stay in contact with Ben for testing these bits. I will ask Davem too to test
01:29 doko Kamion: I would like to see OOo 2.0.3 in the point release; what would be the latest date for a decision?
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01:29 Kamion doko: anything later than the weekend or so is going to start running us into build time problems
01:30 doko ok
01:30 Riddell mdz: I could yes
01:30 Kamion mdz: testing should be light but focused on known-changed areas, I think
01:30 mdz if we hope to reduce the size of the dapper->dapper-updates upgrade, we should get oo.o in
01:30 Kamion we have some reasonable idea of what's been changed as far as the live CD goes
01:30 Kamion mdz: UI> OK, I can do that on Monday
01:30 mdz sfllaw: can you help Kamion with a test plan for known-changed stuff and regression tests?
01:31 Kamion fabbione: ok, thanks
01:31 mdz Kamion: please ask Adam about the ordering stuff for the point release as well; I assume that's pretty straightforward to do and should be quite safe
01:32 Kamion ok
01:32 Kamion is Adam on holiday?
01:32 mdz he couldn't make this meeting
01:33 mdz but he'll be in touch
01:33 Kamion ok, I'll mail him
01:33 mdz is BenC doing the kernel side of libata-for-all-ata-disks?
01:33 Kamion doko: have you had reasonable testing of the packages in dapper-proposed so far?
01:33 Keybuk it's done, no?
01:33 Keybuk well, other than the bootloader dep bit
01:33 mdz Keybuk: I thought when it was done, ATA disks would become /dev/sd* devices
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01:34 Keybuk mdz: vi /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-pata
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01:34 Keybuk mdz: adjust to taste
01:34 doko Kamion: did run the qa-tools on it; tested it except upgrades ... :-/
01:34 mdz Keybuk: are we not going to throw the switch and use them by default?
01:34 Keybuk mdz: yeah, that switch is in module-init-tools though -- probably need yaboot and $ia64bootloader to be done first ;)
01:34 doko Kamion: i386 and amd64 (i386) only, no powerpc and sparc testing
01:35 mdz Keybuk: ok
01:35 mdz Kamion: thanks
01:35 mdz mvo: next
01:35 mvo Did:
01:35 mvo - general catchup after my vacation (mail, specs, pkgs)
01:35 mvo - apt work:
01:35 mvo * automatic-dependency-removal bugfixing
01:35 mvo * fix some apt-ftparchive breakage
01:35 mvo * catchup with the deity list and various bugfixes
01:35 mvo * work on the ddtp branch (bugfixes, added support to synaptic)
01:35 mvo * sha256 support branch created that checks sha256 instead of md5 for all authentication (needs infrastructure support)
01:35 mvo - gnome-app-install:
01:35 mvo * better support for packages that are not available on all architectures
01:35 mvo * updated edgy desktop files
01:35 mvo * added popcon information to the desktop files
01:35 mvo - some work with pitti on the automatic crash reports spec (gui, update-notifier detects crashreports and tell the user about them)
01:35 mvo - some work on the smartpm spec (upgraded, pkg split)
01:35 mvo - added support in software-properties for the "easy-popcon participation" spec
01:35 mvo Will do:
01:35 mvo - work on the gnome-app-install desktop file caching/speedu
01:35 mvo - look into what aptitudes needs to natively work with the new apt auto-remove
01:35 mvo - work on a custom upload format for launchpad and the package description translations
01:35 mvo - see what my SoC student is doing
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01:35 mdz mvo: are you mostly caught up from when you were away?
01:36 mvo mdz: mostly, my bug backlog is terrible
01:36 Riddell mvo: I'll take a look at the python konsole patch tomorrow, should be great if it works
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01:37 mdz mvo: ok, thanks
01:37 mdz Riddell: next
01:37 mvo Riddell: it should work, it needs a bit of love most likely to fully suport the methods of the console
01:37 mvo s/console/konsole/
01:37 Riddell done: kubuntu-printer-sharing, KDE 3.5.4 (no problems, will be requesting UVF exception)
01:37 Riddell blocked: kdepim needing some more main inclusion reviews. backports
01:37 Riddell next week: langpacks-desktopfiles-kde, knot 2
01:37 mdz mvo: (I've added simple-popcon-participation as an edgy target)
01:37 mvo mdz: thanks, that is fine
01:38 pitti Riddell: reviews> argh, yes; I shall find some time tomorrow to process them
01:38 mdz Riddell: please make a pass over anastacia and check the demotions as well
01:38 Riddell mdz: ok
01:38 mdz pitti: maybe we should talk about sharing main inclusion reviews with jbailey?
01:38 pitti ++ :)
01:38 mdz pitti: if the load is high
01:39 mdz pitti: ok, please send a mail to him and me
01:39 mdz Riddell: thanks
01:39 pitti well, it's not too bad
01:39 mdz zul: next
01:39 zul done: uploaded xen-3.0 xen-source-2.6.16, kernel-security stuff
01:39 zul todo: more kernel security, xen on amd64, grub updates, bug triaging
01:39 mdz zul: is xen expected to stay at .16 for edgy?
01:39 zul yes..
01:39 pitti zul: do you get along with the new tracking stuff?
01:39 mdz zul: is there a howto anywhere for how to set it up and play?
01:39 zul pitti: yes im find with it
01:39 zul mdz: i have a page on the wiki
01:40 mdz zul: new grub seems to be working well for me all around
01:40 zul i havent had any complaints yet
01:40 zul or havent seen any either
01:40 mdz zul: a message to -devel-announce with a pointer to the instructions and a request for testing would be good
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01:40 zul ok..sounds good
01:40 mdz ok
01:40 mdz zul: thanks
01:40 mdz seb128: next
01:41 seb128 Done:
01:41 seb128 - GNOME 2.15.90
01:41 seb128 - bug triage
01:41 seb128 - added an option to network-admin to activate avahi
01:41 seb128 .
01:41 seb128 To do:
01:41 seb128 - mails catching up
01:41 seb128 - catching up with SoC projects are doing
01:41 seb128 - lot and lot of bugs to triage
01:41 seb128 - work on the list of desktop fixes I've noted for dapper-updates and upload some of them
01:41 seb128 - look at GNOME 2.14.3 updates and what should be uploaded to dappers-updates from it (I still have some 2.14.2 updates on my list too, I gave them some time to get feedback from Debian and upstream before updating)
01:41 mdz seb128: ok, I'll watch for the dapper-updates reviews
01:41 mdz seb128: thanks
01:41 mdz dholbach: next
01:41 dholbach Done
01:41 dholbach * GNOME 2.15.90
01:41 dholbach * uploaded most galago bits to the archive, need to try beagle with them
01:41 dholbach * bug triage
01:41 dholbach * ubuntu-artwork split
01:41 dholbach To do
01:42 dholbach * more bug triage
01:42 dholbach * do changes to icon page
01:42 mdz dholbach: is the artwork split complete?
01:42 dholbach yes
01:42 mdz ok, great
01:42 Keybuk dholbach: do you think next time you upload NEW stuff, you could check the licences out first?
01:42 dholbach Keybuk: yes, i try to do better.
01:42 Keybuk given I've had to reject the same set of packages from you TWICE now
01:42 mdz speaking of NEW stuff, I graphviz-cairo seems to still be in the queue
01:43 mdz s/I //
01:43 mdz dholbach: thanks
01:43 mdz ogra: next
01:43 ogra * last-week:
01:43 ogra - screensaver transition and some bugfixes
01:43 ogra - gnome-power-manager - fiddling with massive upstream codechanges
01:43 ogra - finished work on the ppc part of ltsp-daily-image-tarballs (ppc tarballs will be on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-tarballs/ on monday/tuesday and run by cron.daily from then on)
01:43 ogra - various bugfixes and small ltsp enhancements (i.e automatically use existing swap partitions on clients, no ssh grief anymore after changing the server IP, popcon support for thin clients in ltsp-build-client)
01:43 ogra - moving
01:43 ogra * next-week:
01:43 ogra - setting up ltsp lab
01:43 ogra - starting on thinclient-local-devices
01:43 ogra - preparing the next knot ?
01:43 ogra - starting on student-control-panel-completion
01:43 ogra * specs:
01:43 ogra - student-control-panel-completion: (waiting for approval)
01:44 ogra - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (in progress)
01:44 ogra - ltsp-convergence: (no progress)
01:44 ogra - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (no progress)
01:44 ogra - thinclient-local-devices (waiting for lab setup, starting next week)
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01:44 mdz ogra: we need to get your remaining specs through review and onto the edgy list
01:45 ogra specs ?
01:45 ogra there is only one left
01:45 mdz only dhcpd and local-dev are there so far
01:45 ogra ltsp-convergence is no spec, but we agreed to track it via LP
01:45 mdz ltsp-daily-image-tarballs is Review
01:46 mdz wasn't netboot-enhancement marked obsolete?
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01:46 ogra hmm ... its done already and will need a xen setup in the DC
01:46 mdz xen??
01:46 ogra you wanted me to monitor it via LP as well
01:46 ogra yes
01:46 ogra i cant get root access on the servers :)
01:46 mdz ogra: it should get approved and targeted for edgy, yes
01:46 mdz ogra: you don't need root; it should work like the livefs builds
01:46 ogra so elmo said xen would be the way to go
01:47 mdz seems like infrastructure overkill
01:47 ogra i need to be able to mount and umount /proc, to debootstrap stuff and to chroot
01:47 Kamion uh, unless I'm on crack, the livefs builds run as root on the buildds
01:47 Mithrandir mdz: the livefs-es quite certainly are built as root.
01:48 mdz yes
01:48 mdz build runs as root != ogra has root
01:48 Mithrandir true
01:48 Kamion it could be YA buildd special cron job I guess
01:48 ogra mdz, its fine to run it at home until the infrastructure is ready and elmo is happy
01:48 mdz ogra: don't let it become another hwdb though; it needs to be in the DC for edgy
01:48 ogra he said the only opportunities he sees are fakechroot and xen
01:49 mdz get the details into the spec and it can be reviewed, approved and targeted
01:49 ogra fakechroot cant handle mounting/unmounting proc and has many other issues
01:49 ogra ok
01:49 mdz ogra: thanks
01:49 mdz Keybuk: next
01:49 Keybuk Done
01:49 Keybuk * Teardown: implemented as specified, there will be ongoing work to remove shutdown scripts from packages not installed by default.
01:49 Keybuk * LibAtaForAtaDisks: implemented /etc/fstab migration (in volumeid); implemented resume-from-uuid which we forgot in the spec; grub root= migration.
01:49 Keybuk - Needs someone else to do other bootloaders (who knows them, and can test better).
01:49 Keybuk - Needs someone who knows them to investigate "special filesystems" (LVM, EVMS, RAID, devmapper, etc.).
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01:49 Keybuk - Probably also needs mount to be patched to use libvolume_id instead of libblkid so it can support uuids from more filesystems.
01:49 Keybuk * ReplacementInit: making progress; debating when is the right time to add this to the archive, as it will not be fit to completely replace /sbin/init for a few weeks yet -- but then maybe this is a development release, so people shouldn't need their machine to boot normally, etc.
01:50 Keybuk To do
01:50 Keybuk * Spending the week mostly on ReplacementInit and BootMessageLogging
01:50 mdz Keybuk: I noticed that the teardown stuff doesn't seem to take effect on upgrades; is that intentional or incompleteness?
01:50 mdz mount-by-uuid seems to be working well for me all arround
01:50 Kamion I can probably manage to do yaboot on Monday
01:50 Keybuk mdz: err, it should take effect
01:51 Keybuk I certainly tested that
01:51 pitti Keybuk: init-on-crack> would this break booting so hard to become unconfortably unusable?
01:51 Keybuk pitti: initially things like runlevels wouldn't work
01:51 pitti Keybuk: like, switching between 2 and 3? that shouldn't hurt too much
01:52 mdz Keybuk: hmm, maybe it didn't remove as much stuff as I expected
01:52 pitti mdz: took effect for me at least
01:52 pitti mdz: and I didn't remove anything manually
01:52 Keybuk mdz: it's a whitelist removal remember ... so if you have lots of extra crack outside of ubuntu-desktop installed, those won't be removed yet
01:52 mdz Keybuk: oh, you only did desktop, not main?
01:52 Keybuk mdz: right
01:52 fabbione Keybuk: didn't you use to call them "fabbione filesystems" :P
01:52 Keybuk see "there will be ongoing work to remove shutdown scripts from packages not installed by default."
01:53 Keybuk fabbione: I only call them that when you're not in earshot <g>
01:53 fabbione Keybuk: ROFL
01:53 mdz Keybuk: ok, thanks
01:53 mdz Keybuk: it would be nice if update-rc.d just did the right thing
01:54 mdz pitti: next
01:54 Keybuk mdz: that would break things
01:54 pitti Done:
01:54 pitti * security updates: php, mysql, firefox, mozilla, thunderbird, heartbeat, ruby1.8, freetype; this took the majority of my time this week
01:54 pitti * heavy edgy cups bug fixing and improvements
01:54 pitti * prepared cups 1.2.2 for dapper
01:54 pitti * gave MOTU school seminar about patching source packages; got great appreciation
01:54 pitti * automated-problem-reports:
01:54 Kamion it would also be nice if update-rc.d could do the removals rather than having to do rm -f; I got a bug in Debian from a file-rc user about that
01:54 pitti * completed packaging of the backend
01:54 mdz Keybuk: I don't see a problem with following the "if you didn't change it from the defaults, we update your config" approach
01:54 pitti * created a reasonably usable GTK frontend (thanks to mvo for his suggestions and help!), uploaded new version
01:54 pitti * backend is BLOCKED: needs changed kernel implementation of crash dump helper calling
01:54 pitti * finally caught up on bug mail
01:54 pitti * looked at the mysterious Heisenbug'ish apt-ftparchive failure on the daily langpacks several times, stared at straces, etc; I have absolutely no clue about this; help greatly appreciated
01:54 mdz Kamion: that's what I meant
01:54 pitti To Do:
01:54 pitti * talk with infinity about deploying pkg-create-dbgsym (so that I can watch FTBFSes caused by this and fix them)
01:54 pitti * automated-problem-reports: fix some bugs, some improvements, discuss Qt frontend with KDE guys; find some people to HIGify my crappy UI design :)
01:54 pitti * more pending security updates
01:54 pitti * interview security engineer applicants
01:54 pitti (sorry, long vehicle, but it was a busy week)
01:55 Keybuk mdz: agree
01:55 mdz Keybuk: by DTRT I mean update the symlinks on upgrades if they haven't been touched
01:55 Keybuk but *-rc.d are broken by design anyway *sigh*
01:55 mdz it's silly to have to modify maintainer scripts for that
01:55 mvo pitti: what is this about apt-ftparchive? can we talk about this off-meeting?
01:55 mdz pitti: is the MOTU school stuff published in UWN? please submit it if it isn't there already
01:55 mdz a link to the log or something
01:56 mdz maybe encourage somebody to write it up as a tutorial
01:56 mdz pitti: is the kernel bit a BenC item?
01:56 pitti mvo: tomorrow? I'd appreciate that
01:56 pitti mdz: yes
01:56 dholbach mdz: LaserJock already volunteered
01:56 mdz pitti: ok, he'll be back Monday
01:56 pitti mdz: uwn> not yet submitted, will do
01:56 mvo pitti: sure
01:56 pitti mdz: it's already a wiki page
01:57 mdz pitti: great
01:57 pitti I'll brush it up a little bit
01:57 mdz pitti: thanks
01:57 mdz have I missed anyone?
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01:57 ogra LaserJock is currently looking for stuff he can add to the packaging guide :)
01:57 mdz speaking of UWN, it'd be a good idea to add an "edgy update" section and for all of us to add bits there as interesting things land
01:57 ogra so the motu school stuff will show up there in some form
01:58 Riddell UWN seems to still be in the mailman queue from last week
01:58 Riddell is someone taking over from jdub on the mailing lists?
01:58 mdz Riddell: gar, I added matt galvin to the whitelist so he wouldn't get moderated
01:58 Keybuk Riddell: which mailing lists?
01:58 Riddell Keybuk: ubuntu-news in this case
01:59 mdz have done the same for whomever sent #7 now
01:59 mdz I'm not taking over but I have privileges to clean up messes
02:00 mdz mako is the moderator of that list, from back when he did traffic
02:00 Burgwork mdz, I can take over the mailing list
02:00 Burgwork lists, rather
02:00 mdz Burgwork: done and done
02:00 mdz Burgwork: email address?
02:00 Burgwork corey.burger@gmail.com
02:00 Amaranth woohoo
02:00 mdz Burgwork: preferably your ubuntu.com address
02:00 Burgwork corey.burger@ubuntu.com
02:01 mdz changed
02:01 mdz ok, out of time
02:01 mdz thanks, everyone
02:01 mdz adjourned
02:01 Mithrandir 'night.
02:01 dholbach thanks everyone
02:01 mdz good night
02:01 dholbach good night
02:01 ogra thanks mdz
02:01 seb128 night
02:01 rodarvus good night
02:01 mvo night
02:01 pitti thanks all
02:01 pitti sleep well everyoneMeetingLogs/UbuntuDev_2006-07-27 (last edited 2008-08-06 16:37:59 by localhost)