20070306
This is the 4th meeting of the Mozilla Team, starting at 18:00 GMT and finishing at 19:05 GMT
Attendance
Please type PRESENT at the start of the meeting to ensure we are all clear who is online and paying attention. Active Atendees:
JohnVivirito - I should be here.
- Freddy Martinez -- I may be there, have to study
BrianThomason - I have a flight in the afternoon but should be there
AlexanderSack - will be gone at about 1850 UTC
Agenda
When adding an agenda item please "sign" it by leaving your name next to it. If you won't be attending the meeting please also spell out your item in detail, otherwise we can't fruitfully discuss it.
Items we will be discussing:
Item |
Presenter |
Approve MozillaTeam/Governance |
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Approve MozillaTeam/Membership |
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Approve MozillaTeam/Upstream |
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Accessibility testing and issues, where we can help. |
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Extension / Theme policy |
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GUI Consistency. Bug 42263 |
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Dapper / Fx 2.0 policy Bug 89704 |
Freddy Martinez |
Greasemonkey script maintainer wanted |
Minutes
Approve MozillaTeam/Governance
Approved with dfarning, asac, gnomefreak, AlexLatchford, Admiral_Chicago and hjmf as start up members until end of Feisty+1 Development Cycle.
Approve MozillaTeam/Membership
Blocked, dfarning to talk to jono about making it flexible so it is a middle ground between 'new person friendly' & 'QA'.
Approve MozillaTeam/Upstream
- Blocked, needs more discussion on the mailing list before this can be approved.
- Accessibility testing and issues, where we can help.
- The team has now been made aware of the procedures in place, have any queries please discuss on mailing list.
- Extension / Theme policy
Approved, Freddy to flesh out extension list page and then post to mailing list for additions & approval at next meeting for structure.
GUI Consistency. Bug 42263
- Blocked, will be discussed at next meeting as asac was unavailable
- gnomefreak believes it is unneeded.
Dapper / Fx 2.0 policy Bug 89704
Already answered with.. this.
- Greasemonkey script maintainer wanted.
- Blocked, Will be evaluated once Extension/Theme list is started.
Any Other Business
- gnomefreak: ok anyone going through bugs please assign edgy retraces to me.
IRC LOGS
07:00 Admiral_Chicago he won't be back until 18.30 07:00 gnomefreak me too 07:00 asac ready 07:00 tonyyarusso Have an agenda link handy? 07:00 gnomefreak Admiral_Chicago: what to chair? 07:00 gnomefreak tonyyarusso: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings 07:01 Admiral_Chicago gnomefreak: no thank you, i have to be in and out due to school reponsibilities 07:02 dfarning gnomefreak, you are the one with experience;) 07:02 AlexLatchford meh? 07:02 gnomefreak thanks but im in middle of something atm if someone wants to start 07:02 gnomefreak dfarning: your up first anyway iirc 07:02 AlexLatchford Okay ill chair 07:02 gnomefreak ty AlexLatchford 07:02 dfarning ty 07:03 AlexLatchford dfarning: Approve MozillaTeam/Governance 07:03 dfarning https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Governance 07:03 gnomefreak btw we dont have council page so i changed it 07:03 dfarning Wanted to formally approve this 07:03 gnomefreak but i see you found out :) 07:03 dfarning ty 07:04 AlexLatchford Personally I have no problems with the Council at the moment 07:04 AlexLatchford the document as it stands is great 07:04 gnomefreak +1 07:04 AlexLatchford Maybe the whole 2 weeks meeting should be changed to monthly 07:04 gnomefreak oh crap 07:04 asac monthly is better i guess 07:05 dfarning ok things were busy busy last month;) 07:05 dfarning 1 per month 07:05 Admiral_Chicago +1 07:05 AlexLatchford well we can call one if we need one in between 07:05 gnomefreak +1 unless needed otherwise 07:05 AlexLatchford +1 07:05 AlexLatchford who is on the Council so we know? 07:05 dfarning nominate asac, john, alex, and freddy 07:05 AlexLatchford I nominate dfarning 07:06 AlexLatchford do we need CC approval? 07:06 Admiral_Chicago i would nominate hilario 07:06 asac don't know 07:06 dfarning talk to johno we are ok 07:06 Admiral_Chicago err i nominate hilario as well 07:06 gnomefreak no we wouldnt really 07:06 dfarning talked 07:06 dfarning very clear we are under cc 07:06 gnomefreak correct 07:06 AlexLatchford hmm okay 07:07 gnomefreak we need to decide on couuncil since 07:07 dfarning ?? 07:07 gnomefreak wow wtf was that 07:07 Admiral_Chicago So to be clear, the council would take effect immedietly? 07:08 Admiral_Chicago and last until feisty+1 came out? 07:08 dfarning yes until feisty comes out in a couple of wee 07:08 gnomefreak Admiral_Chicago: not as of now with new nominations 07:08 AlexLatchford erm, well we have nominations for dfarning, AlexLatchford, gnomefreak, Admiral_Chicago, asac and hjmf 07:08 dfarning I fine with that 07:09 AlexLatchford cool, anyone know if hjmf has a problem with this? 07:09 Admiral_Chicago ditto 07:09 gnomefreak thats fine. has anyone checked with hjmf? 07:09 AlexLatchford as I dont believe he is here 07:09 gnomefreak he left a little while ago 07:09 dfarning he is pretty busy with school 07:09 Admiral_Chicago hes afk. 07:09 Admiral_Chicago from what i recalll 07:09 AlexLatchford aha okay, ewll we can include him and if his status changes we can rethink 07:09 AlexLatchford +1 on all candidates 07:09 dfarning +1 07:10 gnomefreak i say we finish that up on ML 07:10 asac +1 (though a pretty large group imo) :) 07:10 Admiral_Chicago +1 07:10 dfarning ok finish on ML 07:10 AlexLatchford okay, dfarning can you make a new LP.net team and add the various members? 07:11 dfarning yes 07:11 gnomefreak if i remember i will send out a post to list 07:11 AlexLatchford okay, thanks john 07:11 gnomefreak yw 07:11 AlexLatchford Next: Approve MozillaTeam/Membership 07:11 dfarning https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Membership 07:11 AlexLatchford https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Membership 07:12 dfarning I would like to postpone until i talk more with jono 07:12 dfarning new person friendly vs QA is hard;( 07:12 AlexLatchford yeah you have a point there 07:13 gnomefreak agreed dfarning you gonna handle talking to jono? 07:13 dfarning I will do so 07:13 gnomefreak i may have something else for you to run by him if i cant find elkbuntu 07:13 dfarning ok 07:13 AlexLatchford okay 07:13 dfarning next? 07:14 AlexLatchford -1 on Membership Wiki, postpone to next meeting 07:14 AlexLatchford you again david 07:14 AlexLatchford Approve MozillaTeam/Upstream 07:14 Admiral_Chicago -1 07:14 Admiral_Chicago err membership 07:14 dfarning https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Upstream 07:14 AlexLatchford lol Freddy 07:15 asac postpone 07:15 asac ups 07:15 asac late :) 07:15 gnomefreak why -1? 07:15 asac about membership ;) 07:15 dfarning asac, what are your thoughts? 07:16 gnomefreak im happy with postponing it until david speaks with jono 07:16 asac the document is good, but i don't know if we need a official policy for that 07:17 dfarning I would like to set a standard of behavior 07:17 dfarning that other can depend on 07:17 dfarning others 07:17 dfarning so they know we will not send crap/spam 07:17 asac ah ok === gnomefreak wants to stop what has happned the past week with triaging 07:18 dfarning exactly;( 07:18 asac patches should only be pushed upstream as well as bugs 07:18 asac after being reviewed by someone experienced imo 07:18 asac if that is in that document then its fine 07:18 asac its important not to stress upstream relationship ... as you said with "crap/spam" 07:19 AlexLatchford Personally I feel the document needs a little more work before it should be approved 07:19 dfarning i'll add that 07:19 dfarning AlexLatchford, what other work? 07:19 gnomefreak lets get up with jono see what he says than add it to agenda after wiki is fixed in jonos idea of it 07:19 AlexLatchford Saying who to contact to confirm patches, I am on the team but do not know much about Patches 07:20 AlexLatchford for instance.. 07:20 Admiral_Chicago i think we need to be more visible so people don't do work outside of our policies 07:20 gnomefreak asac: would be the contact maybe david also? 07:20 AlexLatchford Admiral_Chicago: True === gnomefreak not good with patches but i can apply them for testing 07:21 Admiral_Chicago for example, having to go and undo peoples tagging after we set a tag library 07:21 dfarning I have been trying to be an admin contact letting you guys do all the tech stuff 07:21 gnomefreak dfarning: tagging closing remarking ect... 07:21 asac gnomefreak: contact for upstream bug review? 07:22 dfarning ok with this in mind i'll rewrite and ask for more feed back on ML 07:22 AlexLatchford +1 on dfarning's suggestion 07:22 gnomefreak remarking example = after full crash report is attached people are "please install -dbg and run backtrace" or " not enough info closing..." 07:22 asac ok .... action: improve upstream directions 07:23 Admiral_Chicago +1 to a rewrite as well 07:23 AlexLatchford Yes, it still needs a bit more discussion in my eyes 07:23 AlexLatchford on the mailing list 07:23 dfarning next? 07:23 asac Admiral_Chicago: about the visibility 07:23 asac there is a general debuggingprocedures page 07:23 asac which links to our policy 07:23 AlexLatchford Next: Extension / Theme policy - Admiral_Chicago 07:24 Admiral_Chicago doesn't mean people read it 07:24 asac bug triagers should read that page from time to time ... though they probably don't do 07:24 Admiral_Chicago i mean in the community 07:24 asac yes 07:24 AlexLatchford maybe we can link it in from the Bugsquad page.. 07:24 gnomefreak they dont they are using -bugs responces 07:24 asac i am working on convincing lp folks for adding special hints for packages 07:24 Admiral_Chicago well i put this agenda item to be clear about which themes / extensions we can support 07:25 asac like: bugs for this package are processed following procedures on http://xxx 07:25 gnomefreak so far only what we have afaik 07:25 Admiral_Chicago as I know of, we have a handful of themes and extensions in the repositories 07:26 dfarning I did have enough tech knowledge to determine why we were packaging certain extensions 07:26 dfarning did not 07:26 gnomefreak asac: should we get a list and go one by one down list to see what ones would be worth adding for feisty+1 (somehow i doubt they will end up in feisty) 07:26 asac please lets not add more to feisty 07:26 asac others that crash 07:26 Admiral_Chicago so i suggest we build a library of supported packages 07:26 asac feisty is pretty late 07:26 gnomefreak asac: thats why i said feisty+1 :) 07:26 asac sorry :) 07:26 asac sure 07:27 asac anyway, i guess there are only a few extensions are valid candidates 07:27 AlexLatchford Well, which extensions are we going to include, how do we decide? 07:27 Admiral_Chicago once we get a valid bug report, those would have to be pushed upstream 07:27 gnomefreak Admiral_Chicago: get a list of what you are thinking we support and add it to agenda for future meeting (IMHO) i have one nad asac had one we were looking into 07:27 dfarning I am thinking remove unless there is a good reason to keep 07:28 asac yes ... good reason: extension is really popular; ubuntu specific; or uses native component 07:28 dfarning asac, +1 07:28 AlexLatchford +1 for me 07:28 gnomefreak dfarning: i would rather in respect to community add some extensions/themes but only ones that can erally provide help and are throughly checked out 07:28 asac native components are really rare ... so there should be only a handful in the end 07:28 dfarning not becaue a MOTU thinks it would be a good place to start packaging 07:28 dfarning ;( 07:29 asac dfarning: imo we cannot do much, but deny that we will take care for them 07:29 gnomefreak colorzilla == popular but imho crap since it is cause of alot of crashes 07:29 AlexLatchford so what action are we taking? 07:29 asac if they add such packages, packagers have to take care on bug triage alone 07:29 Admiral_Chicago could we assign them back to the packager? 07:29 asac colorzilla qualifies by "native component" which is why it crashes :) 07:29 gnomefreak ah 07:29 asac however colorzilla has not been released under free license 07:30 asac so not yet a valid candidate 07:30 AlexLatchford so what action are we taking? 07:30 dfarning I'll post something to MOTU ML for consideration 07:30 asac Admiral_Chicago: yes you can assign back to packager 07:30 AlexLatchford are we going to make a list of extensions that are working, etc.. 07:30 Admiral_Chicago no i mean, let them deal with the bug reports 07:30 asac don't know ... document which extensions qualify for mozilla team support 07:30 gnomefreak mine has but i dont know where to even think about beginning on that one since i couldnt find the files we were looking for and i think i have since made it go away 07:30 asac e.g. by guidelines i posted above 07:30 Admiral_Chicago AlexLatchford: i was hoping we could get a list of extensions we support. 07:31 dfarning would can do the list 07:31 gnomefreak Admiral_Chicago: i would say start there 07:31 AlexLatchford Admiral_Chicago: could you flesh out a wiki page and then post it to the ML for discussion? 07:31 Admiral_Chicago AlexLatchford: can do chief 07:31 asac Admiral_Chicago: i think we should decide if request pops up ... we can of course screen what is currently in archive and say "yes or no" 07:31 AlexLatchford ta 07:31 gnomefreak maybe on your rounds in irc look for what people like and use but try not to ask in support channels 07:32 Admiral_Chicago yes 07:32 AlexLatchford well look for bug reports, only package extensions that do not work without it 07:32 gnomefreak im guessing we have a bit of time on that but would be good to have around feisty's release 07:32 Admiral_Chicago i'll get a wiki going, send it to the ML, maybe post on the planet about it 07:32 gnomefreak k 07:32 AlexLatchford good idea 07:32 asac k 07:32 dfarning Admiral_Chicago, +1 07:33 AlexLatchford Next: Greasemonkey script maintainer wanted - asac 07:33 gnomefreak lol 07:33 asac its just a request 07:33 asac if someone knows .js 07:33 asac and wants to improve life for us all :) 07:33 AlexLatchford meh fair enough 07:33 gnomefreak +1 for asac as maintainer ;) j/k 07:33 AlexLatchford thought I would link it 07:33 asac otherwise, i will try to do at some point 07:33 AlexLatchford lol 07:33 Admiral_Chicago i know a little java but not too much 07:33 gnomefreak i havent looked at it yet 07:33 gnomefreak Admiral_Chicago: its JS not so much java 07:33 asac its just javascript 07:33 asac like you do in html pages 07:33 gnomefreak JS is easier 07:34 Admiral_Chicago eh. 07:34 asac maybe lets open a task page :) ... to add such jobs that still have no owner :) 07:34 gnomefreak i remember bits and peices from classes i took in java. we had to work with some JS 07:34 AlexLatchford asac: +1 07:34 gnomefreak asac: +1 07:34 dfarning got one on /Roadmap 07:34 AlexLatchford https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Roadmap 07:35 AlexLatchford add it to the Roadmap Tasks 07:35 gnomefreak btw everyone stay i have something to ask at end of meeting :) 07:35 Admiral_Chicago will do gnomefreak 07:35 AlexLatchford okay, next? 07:35 dfarning next? 07:35 asac ok maybe make another table for tasks that need a maintainer? 07:35 Admiral_Chicago wait, we skipped AlexLatchford 's big 07:35 asac i think we are through 07:35 Admiral_Chicago bug* 07:35 asac oh 07:35 AlexLatchford Next: Dapper / Fx 2.0 policy [WWW] Bug 89704 - Admiral_Chicago 07:35 Ubugtu Malone bug 89704 in firefox "No backport of Firefox 2.o to Dapper" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89704 07:36 AlexLatchford Admiral_Chicago: yeah we are not going in order, my points are not High on the list 07:36 gnomefreak thats stated in bug 07:36 Admiral_Chicago asac: maybe you can say something about out 1.5 policy 07:36 gnomefreak there isnt much we can do with it 07:36 Admiral_Chicago our* 07:36 dfarning Asac can you write a faq on why we can build 2.0 on dapper 07:36 AlexLatchford Yes I read the response from cjwatson 07:36 asac ah 07:36 dfarning cann't 07:36 asac look at the bug 07:36 gnomefreak dfarning: the upgrade page shouyld be fine for htat 07:36 asac its already done 07:36 gnomefreak that 07:36 asac we posted official wiki page 07:37 asac that states how we approach dapper long term security 07:37 dfarning where, I missed that;( 07:37 asac see comment from colin 07:37 Admiral_Chicago looking now 07:37 gnomefreak http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFirefoxSupport 07:37 Admiral_Chicago the Beta LP page is slower than molasses 07:37 asac yes thats the content 07:38 gnomefreak Admiral_Chicago: yes i know but i think because everyone went looking at it 07:38 dfarning reading 07:38 AlexLatchford https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/FAQ 07:38 AlexLatchford have added this for now 07:38 asac good 07:39 AlexLatchford So this issue is sorted... 07:39 Admiral_Chicago alright 07:39 dfarning sound good 07:39 asac should be ... official statement exists 07:39 AlexLatchford Next: Accessibility testing and issues, where we can help... 07:39 asac e.g. canonical statement 07:39 Admiral_Chicago gnomefreak: no, i think in general 07:39 AlexLatchford This is more of a 'Be Aware' than a discussion point 07:40 Admiral_Chicago the beta page is just slow... 07:40 gnomefreak Admiral_Chicago: its not slow for me anymore 07:40 Admiral_Chicago maybe its my network, i'll test at home === asac agrees that beta is slow 07:40 gnomefreak agreed in most cases is 07:40 gnomefreak moving on? 07:40 AlexLatchford Next: Accessibility testing and issues, where we can help... 07:40 AlexLatchford This is more of a 'Be Aware' than a discussion point 07:40 asac i have no idea about accessibility 07:41 dfarning me neither;( 07:41 asac i don't like this 07:41 AlexLatchford Basically the Accessibility Team has been working hard on Orca in Firefox to make sure it actually works 07:41 gnomefreak me neither to both comments 07:41 asac but someone who knows should setup some introduction on something 07:41 dfarning I'll look into in 07:41 asac e.g. what tools are used for what 07:41 asac etc. 07:41 AlexLatchford well Orca is the main program 07:41 AlexLatchford currently they are implementing colour filters for the colour blind I believe 07:41 gnomefreak AlexLatchford: is it orcas issues or ff? 07:41 dfarning I'll ask the ocra guy for a introduction to the issues 07:41 Admiral_Chicago afaik, orca has a lot of problems building 07:41 AlexLatchford Well it is Orca issues that will probably be reported to Firefox 07:42 asac if its a firefox specific issue, someone who knows should probably come up with some details 07:42 gnomefreak IMHO orca should be filed against orca 07:42 AlexLatchford Well, this is what we are trying to discover, we need to work closely with them as sometimes it is their bug and sometimes it is ours 07:43 dfarning I'll start the discussion 07:43 asac sure ... they should just join us :) ... at least from time to time 07:43 AlexLatchford but if you see a bug that you believe is Accessibility related, say if it only occuring with Orca enabled 07:43 AlexLatchford yeah, i will invite Henrik to the next meeting 07:43 Admiral_Chicago he was at our last one iirc. 07:43 AlexLatchford ..then tag it 'Accessibility' and also subscribe the Accessibility Team to the bug 07:43 asac haven't seen any ... maybe orca people can do us a favor and search our bts for orca issues? 07:43 AlexLatchford Admiral_Chicago: yes he was 07:44 gnomefreak my point being we have more than enough bugs to spread out to 35 teams and still not be fixed by end of year why add more if its not related to fx or tb 07:44 AlexLatchford gnomefreak: this is what I am saying, we need to reassign it when it is an issue.. 07:44 asac yes ... if its not related, its not our problem 07:44 asac reassign 07:44 AlexLatchford as we cannot fix it 07:45 AlexLatchford it is more of a be aware of this problem 07:45 AlexLatchford than what we need to do 07:45 asac ok :) 07:45 gnomefreak AlexLatchford: you have the link to them as tagged still on the tags wiki right? 07:45 AlexLatchford Believe so 07:45 AlexLatchford https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Tags 07:45 gnomefreak dfarning: who are you planning on talking to? 07:46 gnomefreak btw ther eis only 1 07:46 AlexLatchford Well I have emailed the Accessibility list 07:46 dfarning who ever know anything about accessability:) 07:46 AlexLatchford and they are kind of aware of the problem, the response I got back was a little quiet 07:46 gnomefreak lol dfarning 07:46 gnomefreak ok who has free time this week 07:46 AlexLatchford ill investigate this more 07:46 gnomefreak lets kill all birds ;) with this 07:46 AlexLatchford as I started it 07:47 dfarning ubutnu accessability, firefox accessibilty, ... 07:47 AlexLatchford Okay.. moving on? 07:47 gnomefreak asac: any patches/testing need to be done this week? 07:47 gnomefreak AlexLatchford: one sec please 07:47 AlexLatchford okay === gnomefreak thinking outloud 07:48 dfarning did the apport patch make it? 07:48 asac gnomefreak: not yet :) 07:48 asac ^^ about patches/testing that needs to be done 07:48 gnomefreak asac: ok i need someone else with me on bug triaging this week. start at one end and work your way through tagging them and assigning them 07:49 AlexLatchford I have added the testing repository to my sources.list 07:49 gnomefreak s/asac/everyone === dfarning can do 2 hour per day 07:49 asac it might be a bit tricky to install testing repository versions for the first time 07:49 gnomefreak it seems like we got caught up with other things nad forgot about it 07:49 asac after that they should automatically upgrade === dfarning wil have a lot of questions 07:49 gnomefreak dfarning: thats fine. 07:49 gnomefreak dfarning: ill be here most of day during week 07:50 asac okay ... are we through 07:50 asac ?? 07:50 dfarning sounds good 07:50 gnomefreak dfarning: just remember crash report/edgy/coredump please assign to me 07:50 dfarning ok 07:50 AlexLatchford Next: GUI Consistency. [WWW] Bug 42263 07:50 Ubugtu Malone bug 42263 in firefox "Toolbar display should be "Icons and text" for consistency" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42263 07:50 gnomefreak ick still on that one 07:50 AlexLatchford meh? === gnomefreak likes the icons without text. 07:51 AlexLatchford well there is an option to turn it off 07:51 gnomefreak hover mouse over it and text is there 07:51 AlexLatchford agreed, but it is more for consistency 07:51 dfarning we may want to postpone this one 07:51 dfarning talk of mozilla starting a linux gui group 07:51 AlexLatchford Really? 07:52 gnomefreak you can add text fairly easy 07:52 Admiral_Chicago yes postpone it. 07:52 dfarning so all distros can work together to improve interface on gtk kde 07:52 AlexLatchford gnomefreak: I know, but it is more of a consistency across the desktop 07:52 AlexLatchford TB, Nautilus, gEdit all use Text too 07:53 Admiral_Chicago Konqueror doesn't 07:53 AlexLatchford *rolls eyes* 07:53 gnomefreak asac: ? 07:54 Riddell Admiral_Chicago: doesn't what? 07:54 AlexLatchford Personally it wouldn't bother me too much if the change was made 07:54 gnomefreak Riddell: have text and icons 07:54 Riddell gnomefreak: it does in KDE 4 07:54 AlexLatchford as default? 07:54 Riddell yes 07:54 gnomefreak yes 07:55 AlexLatchford well if we are after consistency I really think the change needs to be made, but whether or not we wait until Feisty+1 for it if we need more debate time.. 07:55 gnomefreak we should beablet o change it with very little feedback from mozilla but im opposed to the change personally. it just adds one more thing to slow fx down 07:55 asac sorry ... have no time ... tel conference 07:56 gnomefreak asac: k 07:56 Admiral_Chicago i meant in 3.5.6. 07:56 gnomefreak ok lets posepone this than wait for asac feedback on it 07:56 dfarning ok 07:56 AlexLatchford gnomefreak: agreed 07:56 gnomefreak Admiral_Chicago: text is off there 07:56 Admiral_Chicago i know that is one thing that has been worked on 07:56 gnomefreak it should be as simple as a option in rules during ./configure 07:57 gnomefreak but im not positive on that 07:57 AlexLatchford just fired up OOo and it doesn't use text 07:57 Admiral_Chicago to be fair, we have to realize we are packaging from MF, it is really up to them 07:57 AlexLatchford maybe this is a decision the TechBoard should take 07:57 Admiral_Chicago the best we can do is file upstream 07:57 gnomefreak MF? and please dont say what i think you mean 07:57 Admiral_Chicago Mozilla Foundation... 07:58 gnomefreak oh ok good :) 07:58 Admiral_Chicago haha. 07:58 dfarning this it for meeting? 07:58 gnomefreak but again ITS A UBUNTU CHANGE afaik 07:58 gnomefreak not mozillas 07:58 AlexLatchford well that change will never be included in Firefox default, but we can change it in Ubuntu Firefox 07:59 Admiral_Chicago really? hmm, we may need to look at that 07:59 gnomefreak we had one more i think 07:59 dfarning all ubuntu changes need mozilla approval 07:59 dfarning to keep trademark 07:59 AlexLatchford gnomefreak: we have done everything on the list 07:59 gnomefreak dfarning: its provided as a ./configure option i think 07:59 gnomefreak AlexLatchford: ah ok goodie 07:59 AlexLatchford lol what do you have to say.. 07:59 dfarning ok 07:59 gnomefreak ok anyone going through bugs please assign edgy retraces to me 08:00 dfarning ok 08:00 AlexLatchford okay 08:00 gnomefreak i want to get them out asap 08:00 AlexLatchford We have any news of Thunderbird-dbg 08:00 gnomefreak and since i cant always be here that doesnt mean im not infront of pc 08:00 gnomefreak dfarning: thats your department 08:00 gnomefreak what email was i going to write? :( 08:00 gnomefreak council? 08:01 dfarning Are we still missing the latest build -dbgsym 08:01 Admiral_Chicago gnomefreak: will do if i see any 08:01 dfarning for tb 08:01 gnomefreak dfarning: we have no tb-dbg or dbgsym for edgy at all there is a dbg-sym for feisty i think 08:01 AlexLatchford dfarning: I am running Feisty and there is no Thunderbird-dbg package 08:01 dfarning ill follow up with martin === dfarning wonders what is going wrong 08:02 AlexLatchford maybe I am looking in the wrong place.. 08:02 gnomefreak mozilla-thunderbird-dbgsym in feisty 08:02 gnomefreak AlexLatchford: add universe and multiverse restricted to pittis repo :) 08:03 gnomefreak its in main 08:03 AlexLatchford I need pitti's own repository? 08:03 tonyyarusso What is dbgsym? 08:03 gnomefreak for the dbgsym you do 08:03 AlexLatchford gnomefreak: aha okay, this is probably why it is not showing 08:03 gnomefreak they are debugging symbols for packages 08:03 tonyyarusso ah 08:03 gnomefreak AlexLatchford: its not dbg so you cant get backtrace with it 08:04 dfarning they are the debug symbols striped out of the executables 08:04 AlexLatchford hmm okay 08:05 gnomefreak ok are we done i need a smoke 08:05 AlexLatchford Meeting Closed I guess 08:05 AlexLatchford thanks guys 08:05 gnomefreak :) 08:05 gnomefreak ty 08:05 dfarning adjourn
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