2006-01-09
05:17 ubuntugeek Well al-rightly then.. Welcome to the first Forum council meeting. 05:17 ubuntugeek Running late, but hey thats the way we roll :) 05:19 ubuntugeek agenda can be found here 05:19 ubuntugeek https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda 05:21 ubuntugeek ok so 05:22 ubuntugeek Hopefully we'll build up some more people attending as this catches on :) 05:22 jdong :) the wonders of IRC meetings 05:22 ubuntugeek heh yeah :) === ubuntugeek trys to fill time with rambles 05:22 jdong lol 05:23 ubuntugeek Anyone here not know the purpose of the FC and wish to know the purpose? === forumsmatthew suggests a welcome and introduction to what the FC is === forumsmatthew was slow 05:23 PriceChild ubuntugeek, first item has a lot of rambling potential :) 05:23 ubuntugeek Yes it does 05:23 ubuntugeek So the FC was recently setup as a governance council for the ubuntuforums.org site. 05:24 ubuntugeek the purpose of the FC is to make decisions on forum issues and resolve conflicts etc within the forums. 05:24 ubuntugeek whats up? 05:25 ubuntugeek Today at the CC meeting Matthew and Mike will be hopefully elected on to the FC council giving us a 5 member team. 05:26 forumsmatthew FYI... Matthew=me 05:26 ubuntugeek :) 05:27 ubuntugeek Ok lets discuss setting up forum teams. I know pricechild you are ready to roll on this idea.. what thoughts do you have 05:27 PriceChild Well shall we start with the leadership applications? 05:27 PriceChild make a small shortlist? 05:28 ubuntugeek yep 05:28 ubuntugeek I think we need to take the leadership applications and make a list for sure. 05:28 jdong yes 05:28 forumsmatthew are those who applied here? 05:29 Vorian_ i'll speak for jacobmp92[away] - he's in school right now 05:29 PriceChild http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=289810 05:29 ubuntugeek we might have to do the electing at the next time.. to give more ample time for people to attend. 05:29 jdong forumsmatthew: let's first make a list of everyone and do one-by-one 05:29 PriceChild that thread contains applications only 05:29 ubuntugeek but we can get a more official list going now 05:30 jdong shall we go down the list in order of application? 05:31 PriceChild jdong, ok so starting with plb: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1695126&postcount=2 05:31 jdong is plb present? 05:31 PriceChild I don't think many are jd 05:32 jdong it looks that way :-/ 05:32 PriceChild any comments on plb? 05:33 jdong ok, different approach: who is here seeking application as a Team Leader? 05:33 forumsmatthew this is an interesting quote from his application 05:33 jdong so far, I see Vorian_ 05:33 forumsmatthew "the majority of my posts here are more or less rants in the Cafe and suggestions for development" 05:33 Vorian_ jdong: I'm shooting for secretary... not team leader 05:34 jdong Vorian_: ah, ok 05:34 jdong forumsmatthew: yeah, I saw that too 05:34 PriceChild I'm much more impressed by Lord Illian's application which is up next http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1695147&postcount=3 05:35 PriceChild it is also for abs beginners against plb (and also hardware) 05:35 ubuntugeek pricechild: I like his application as wel 05:35 ubuntugeek well* 05:35 forumsmatthew he's been an active member for some time and a good one as well 05:35 ubuntugeek Anyone else have comments on him? 05:36 jdong he looks ideal for beginners 05:36 PriceChild Lord Illian has also made a sustained positive contribution to the forums 05:36 ubuntugeek I'll make a list of people then we can make a finalization after we go through the list 05:36 jdong he seems to have the motivation to help beginners 05:36 ubuntugeek Ok i'll mark him as a candidate for beginners area 05:37 ubuntugeek Next, we have http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1695371&postcount=4 05:37 ubuntugeek for beginners as well 05:37 PriceChild jeffrc313 05:38 forumsmatthew I think he has the potential to be a good team member 05:38 PriceChild he's reasonably active it seems 05:38 ubuntugeek Matthew: I agree 05:38 jdong he's not the most active ever, but does regularly visit the forums 05:39 jdong I find his signature... questionable though? 05:39 PriceChild Checking his last posts though... are mostly asking for support 05:39 PriceChild not much giving 05:39 jdong my site: www.theironknuckle.com 05:39 jdong "I drop science like girls be droppin' babies" 05:39 jdong hmm 05:39 ubuntugeek hmm yeah.. 05:39 jdong the site doesn't load 05:39 ubuntugeek ok lets move on 05:39 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1695486&postcount=5 05:39 ubuntugeek dillbertdabomb 05:40 PriceChild didn't follow instructions on format of application :P 05:40 forumsmatthew asks to be a member, he didn't apply for leadership 05:40 jdong PriceChild: I was gonna say :) 05:40 forumsmatthew "I would like to be a team member for the beginner section." 05:40 PriceChild ah ok 05:40 ubuntugeek dillbert is just wanted to be a team member soo 05:40 PriceChild shall we move on 05:40 jdong yes, doesn't seem like leader is the role he wanted 05:40 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1695640&postcount=6 05:40 ubuntugeek raqball 05:41 ubuntugeek unanswered posts area 05:41 forumsmatthew has serious potential 05:41 jdong I like his dedication to unanswered posts 05:41 ubuntugeek Ok just wants to be a team member as well 05:41 forumsmatthew looking through his posts now... 05:42 ubuntugeek at least thats how i took his answer to the 1. question 05:42 forumsmatthew they don't really match his application statements 05:42 jdong ubuntugeek: it seems like he's ok with being either 05:42 ubuntugeek or is he saying he wants to be a team leader and wants to be on a team? 05:42 ubuntugeek ok 05:42 forumsmatthew he didn't lie, he has just been more active other ways 05:42 jdong ubuntugeek: all the credentials he gave seem to be leadership-oriented 05:42 forumsmatthew mainly cafe since early November 05:43 ubuntugeek good candidate for the answered team leader then? 05:43 PriceChild let put him on the list? :) 05:43 jdong wait a sec please === jdong still looking through the posts 05:43 PriceChild hehe :) 05:43 jdong seeing a lot of chatter and not much support 05:43 PriceChild doesn't seem to be the most helpful 05:44 PriceChild yeah 05:44 jdong currently digging to nov 1st 05:44 ubuntugeek jdong agreed 05:44 forumsmatthew @jdong agreed 05:44 Bonzodog Can I just a very slightly in-a-roundabout-way related question? 05:44 Bonzodog +ask 05:44 ubuntugeek lets put him on and move on we can come back to a more detailed approach after we get the list 05:44 PriceChild !ask|Bonzodog 05:44 jdong yeah 05:44 PriceChild no ubotu :P 05:44 Bonzodog Is there any plans to ressurect a team related to the UDSF? 05:45 jdong Bonzodog: please put that on the agenda if you want it discussed 05:45 jdong it really isn't related :) 05:45 jdong even in the most roundabout ways 05:45 PriceChild David Corrales http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1695718&postcount=7 also seems to be mainly asking to be a member 05:45 forumsmatthew agreed 05:45 ubuntugeek agreed 05:45 jdong k, skip 05:45 jdong let's process the leaders first 05:46 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1695911&postcount=8 05:46 PriceChild rekahsoft http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1695911&postcount=8 05:46 jdong his application looks very nice 05:46 PriceChild not many posts in abs beginners... 05:46 PriceChild mostly in gaming and leisure / programming 05:46 ubuntugeek mostly posts in gaming it appears 05:46 jdong a young one, too 05:47 PriceChild not the youngest on the list ;) 05:47 ubuntugeek i think the people applying for a position need to be pretty active in the area 05:47 forumsmatthew that would seem appropriate 05:47 ubuntugeek so.. with that said lets move on to the next one 05:48 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1696101&postcount=9 === jdong answers his doom question anyway :D 05:48 ubuntugeek djsroknrol 05:48 ubuntugeek unanswered or beginners area 05:48 PriceChild not very active... and latest are chatty 05:49 PriceChild well not the least active though 05:49 ubuntugeek agreed 05:49 jdong so far I'm not seeing anyone near Lord Illian's activity level 05:49 PriceChild agreed 05:49 forumsmatthew jdong: agreed 05:49 PriceChild whoa!!! 05:49 PriceChild Vorian_, has a big point to make 05:49 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1696423&postcount=10 === PriceChild pushes Vorian_ onto the stage 05:49 ubuntugeek blendmaster 05:49 Vorian_ djsroknrol is a mod on mod free 05:50 ubuntugeek beginner forums team 05:50 jdong Vorian_: good point, thanks for bringing it up 05:50 forumsmatthew @Vorian_ hmm 05:50 jdong though we need to investigate more into that 05:50 ubuntugeek most of his posts are in the beginners area 05:50 jdong I'd rather we not be labeling anyone by their out-of-forums affiliations 05:51 ubuntugeek anyone have thoughts on blendmaster? 05:51 jdong blendmaster, yet another member seeker 05:51 ubuntugeek ah yes 05:51 PriceChild "maybe" not all his posts are the most helpful 05:51 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1696468&postcount=11 05:51 jdong (wow the forums must really hate how much we're using find all posts right now :D) 05:52 ubuntugeek lyceum 05:52 ubuntugeek unaswered team 05:52 forumsmatthew isp issues 05:52 jdong ubuntugeek: where'd you get unanswered team from? 05:53 PriceChild He seems very chatty 05:53 Vorian_ he is active in the beginners area 05:53 PriceChild jdong, he says active and unanswered at hte bottom of psot 05:53 ubuntugeek "I have answered questions I know as I find them. If I am not selected, I would like to join the team that helps new users or the unanswered posts. I am applying here for team-leader of either." 05:53 jdong oh :) 05:53 jdong so beginners or unanswered === jdong braces for his next suggestion 05:53 ubuntugeek unaswered looks good.. he seems pretty active i think 05:53 forumsmatthew Is he still active? 05:54 jdong let's quickly find all the leader-candidates by a high-bean count.... 05:54 forumsmatthew last post is see is from November 05:54 jdong I'm seeing a lot of member applications so far 05:54 ubuntugeek jdong yeah 05:54 jdong Lord Illian is a good benchmark (in my mind) of leadership candidacy 05:54 PriceChild kuja? 05:55 forumsmatthew jdong: agreed 05:55 ubuntugeek Lord Illian looks good yeah 05:55 PriceChild hehe 05:55 jdong kuja seems to do a lot of 64-bit work 05:55 PriceChild why isn't everyone like Lord Illian :) 05:55 PriceChild jdong, yeah 05:55 PriceChild not sure where else though] 05:55 jdong but he's chatty too 05:56 jdong I don't see much else 05:56 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1700569&postcount=19 05:56 ubuntugeek unaswered team 05:56 ubuntugeek jeesh i wish i could spell today lol 05:56 jdong we should've added "give 5 examples of posts you made that best represent your identity at the forums" 05:57 PriceChild I remember mr jacobmp92 from somewhere 05:57 jdong ubuntugeek: I'm not doing much better; this room is 50 degrees and I'm frezing my fingers off 05:57 Vorian_ ubuntugeek: He has been a very valuable member of our loco team 05:57 PriceChild jacobmp92 seems quite good === jdong sprays frozen blob of dust-off at the thermostat 05:58 Vorian_ PriceChild: agreed 05:58 forumsmatthew he has several very helpful posts 05:58 ubuntugeek agreed ok i'll add him to my list 05:58 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1703030&postcount=20 05:58 ubuntugeek mssever 05:58 ubuntugeek unanswered posts 05:58 PriceChild active 05:58 jdong one of the most elegantly organized applications to this point 05:59 forumsmatthew application is very promising 05:59 forumsmatthew I'm off to review post 05:59 forumsmatthew posts 05:59 PriceChild helpful 05:59 jdong helpful indeed 05:59 jdong most of his posts are help oriented 05:59 forumsmatthew I give him high marks 05:59 ubuntugeek ok i'll add him to the list 05:59 PriceChild seems to have dropped off this past month from his "4 posts a day" 06:00 jdong yes, high regards to this guy 06:00 ubuntugeek next 06:00 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1703265&postcount=21 06:00 ubuntugeek apjone 06:00 ubuntugeek beginner or hardware 06:00 jdong PriceChild: given the december season, I can understand :) 06:00 PriceChild jdong, yeah :) 06:00 Vorian_ haven't had many hardware candidates... 06:01 ubuntugeek seems like a good canidate for hardware 06:01 PriceChild yeah 06:01 PriceChild agreed ubijtsa2 06:01 PriceChild argh 06:01 PriceChild annying autocomplete === jdong digs thru posts 06:01 forumsmatthew hardware... 06:01 PriceChild Nothing much in the hardware forum.... but most posts revolving around hardware 06:01 forumsmatthew PC yep 06:01 jdong he helps a lot 06:02 jdong answers a lot of beginner or driver related questions 06:02 ubuntugeek k, added to the list 06:02 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1704006&postcount=22 06:02 ubuntugeek klaidas 06:02 ubuntugeek beginner === PriceChild notices Kladias isn't online in irc - grr lol :) 06:02 jdong he seems active :) 06:03 PriceChild and sustained 06:03 jdong http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1985143#post1985143 06:03 jdong :-/ 06:03 jdong interesting statement 06:03 PriceChild hmmm not the most helpful posts 06:03 ubuntugeek yeah 06:04 forumsmatthew we have better candidates 06:04 ubuntugeek ok lets move on 06:04 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1707025&postcount=24 06:04 ubuntugeek wayward 06:04 ubuntugeek unanswered posts 06:05 ubuntugeek only has 9 posts 06:05 jdong wow 06:05 PriceChild impressive application but only 9 posts 06:05 ubuntugeek ok next 06:05 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1763295&postcount=26 06:05 ubuntugeek bodhi.zazen 06:05 ubuntugeek beginner 06:05 ubuntugeek begineer 06:05 ubuntugeek bah 06:05 ubuntugeek lol 06:05 PriceChild why does he have to take on Lord Illian :( 06:05 forumsmatthew he's been quite impressive for some time 06:05 ubuntugeek matthew i agree 06:06 PriceChild yup 06:06 Vorian_ lord illian can do hardware... right? 06:06 PriceChild hehe he gave 5 helpeful contributions ;) 06:06 forumsmatthew note: "Please consider my application for a position with the Beginner Area Team." 06:06 jdong I like his application 06:06 ubuntugeek me too adding him to the list 06:06 jdong PriceChild: it's beter than the 0 I've seen so far 06:06 jdong PriceChild: plus I think I haven't written more than 5 howtos either :) 06:06 ubuntugeek lastly 06:06 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1763747&postcount=27 06:06 ubuntugeek saphira 06:07 PriceChild not active enough? 06:07 ubuntugeek not sure which team either 06:07 forumsmatthew PC: that's my thought 06:07 jdong short paragraph 06:07 jdong liberal interpretation of short paragraph :) 06:07 Vorian_ lol 06:08 jdong he seems to have his way of linnking to gwos for everything 06:08 jdong let's look through gwos === PriceChild runs off for a second 06:08 jdong and measure his contribution level there 06:08 jdong I have a feeling his work might be concentrated there 06:08 jdong grr, doesn't load 06:08 jdong his loss 06:08 jdong NEXT :) 06:08 ubuntugeek OK so 06:09 ubuntugeek these are the canidates 06:09 ubuntugeek beginners 06:09 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1763295&postcount=26 - bodhi.zazen 06:09 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1695147&postcount=3 - Lord Illidan 06:09 ubuntugeek hardware 06:09 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1703265&postcount=21 - apjone 06:09 ubuntugeek Unanswered 06:09 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1700569&postcount=19 - jacobmp92 06:09 ubuntugeek http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1703030&postcount=20 - mssever 06:09 jdong good 06:09 jdong I think to proceed we'll need to be able to speak with these people 06:09 ubuntugeek The next step, lets schedule the finalization for the next meeting. This way we can give them time to bring examples along with them. 06:09 jdong either by IRC, interview in forum thread.... etc 06:10 PriceChild wb again matthew5 06:10 ubuntugeek The next meeting we can finalize those canidates and make sure they come to the meeting prepared with stuff to back themselves up 06:10 jdong yes 06:10 ubuntugeek sound good? 06:10 ubuntugeek ok === matthew5 is now known as forumsmatthew 06:11 jdong poor forumsmatthew :) 06:11 ubuntugeek at the next meeting lets do that process first, then afterwards discuss the implementation of the teams 06:11 ubuntugeek when the new team leaders are on board 06:11 jdong yes 06:11 PriceChild agreed :) 06:11 ubuntugeek k 06:11 ubuntugeek Next 06:11 jdong I'd like to see team leaders involved in picking out their team 06:11 ubuntugeek agreed 06:12 ubuntugeek team leaders will be able to approve people who apply to their team via the forums user cp 06:12 ubuntugeek Forum Secretary Position 06:12 ubuntugeek two canidates 06:12 ubuntugeek vorian and pricechild === Vorian_ waves 06:12 ubuntugeek waves 06:12 forumsmatthew both are good candidates 06:12 ubuntugeek both are good candidates 06:13 forumsmatthew jinx 06:13 PriceChild hehe... now ubuntugeek can't talk :P 06:13 ubuntugeek lol 06:13 jdong ubuntugeek ubuntugeek ubuntugeek 06:13 jdong or something like that :) 06:13 ubuntugeek ok so.. 06:13 forumsmatthew how about something like 06:13 jdong battle to the death? 06:13 forumsmatthew tell us why to choose you 06:13 jdong ok, works for me 06:13 jdong :) 06:13 forumsmatthew without saying anything bad 06:14 ubuntugeek yep sounds good 06:14 forumsmatthew about the other candidate 06:14 ubuntugeek Vorian go for it 06:14 Vorian_ well 06:14 Vorian_ Like i said in my post 06:15 PriceChild http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=323554 06:15 Vorian_ I have gained alot from UF, and I appreciate all that I have gained 06:15 Vorian_ I want to give back in what ever way I can... 06:15 Vorian_ I am a manager by profession, and this kind of work is right up my alley 06:16 Vorian_ PLUS 06:16 Vorian_ I love Ubuntu Forums :-) 06:16 ubuntugeek ;) 06:16 jdong Vorian_: does your schedule allow you to regularly attend Forum Council meetings? 06:16 Vorian_ I make my own schedule 06:16 jdong ah, ideal :) 06:16 Vorian_ :) 06:16 ubuntugeek our goal is the first tuesday of every month at 16:00 utc 06:16 ubuntugeek ok great 06:16 ubuntugeek Pricechild? 06:16 ubuntugeek your up 06:16 PriceChild Vorian_, has also got a lot of experience with helping lead the Ohio LoCo 06:17 PriceChild When people ask me why I spend time hepling out on these forums, I normally tell them that because of the Ubuntu community, I have a completely free and feature rich computer sitting infront of me, but its more than that. Despite the reputation ubuntuforums.org has amongst a large majority of the core Ubuntu community, I'm extremely proud to have been "educated" here, and hope to give this back. Being a mod, and hopefully with this 06:17 PriceChild position I want to help take ubuntuforums.org to the core group, further integration is only a good thing. Towards this aim, I'm part of the forum ambassadors project, and am opping a couple more channels on irc. === PriceChild should have corrected spelling mistakes :P 06:17 ubuntugeek :) 06:17 jdong look who pre-authored his speech :) 06:17 Vorian_ cut and paste.... 06:17 Vorian_ er*lol === jdong examines it with added scrutiny :) 06:17 forumsmatthew thanks, PriceChild 06:17 ubuntugeek guys i got a work meeting in 5.. shoot.. 06:18 ubuntugeek jodng? thoughts 06:18 jdong hmm === PriceChild posts vorian's to matthew also 06:19 jdong both of you are well qualified for the job 06:19 PriceChild lol he's gone again... 06:19 PriceChild poor matthew 06:20 Vorian_ PriceChild: arm wrestle? 06:21 ubuntugeek I think the fairest route will be to give vorian a +1. He isn't a staff member (pricey already has fun) and this will allow for some new blood to get on the team. === Vorian_ does a backflip 06:22 jdong +1, ubuntugeek; in addition a non-staff secretary has the added benefit of neutrality 06:22 PriceChild woo go Vorian_ :) 06:22 forumsmatthew He's also been around for a long time and has a good feel === Vorian_ does a backflip again! 06:22 forumsmatthew +1 06:22 ubuntugeek great 06:22 ubuntugeek ok settled 06:22 Vorian_ thanks guys! 06:22 ubuntugeek ok the last thing on the agenda 06:22 frodon congrats Vorian_ ;) 06:22 ubuntugeek from Henrik 06:22 ubuntugeek henrik you here? 06:22 Vorian_ frodon: thanks :) 06:22 PriceChild ping heno, 06:22 jdong heno: ping, you're up :) 06:22 ubuntugeek Cause i gotta fly in like 1 minutes 06:23 ubuntugeek jdong. matthew can you guys finish up? 06:23 forumsmatthew yes 06:23 ubuntugeek i'll post the notes later on 06:23 jdong ubuntugeek: sure thing 06:23 ubuntugeek thanks guys 06:23 heno Just introducing myself really :) 06:23 jdong heno: we'd love to hear :) 06:23 heno I'd love to see some involvement from forum mods/leaders in the ISO testing of Herd 2 06:24 heno starting this week 06:24 heno (we think) 06:24 jdong ok 06:24 jdong what can we do to help with the ISO testing? 06:24 heno And generally you can contact me with development related items 06:25 heno jdong: see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201 06:25 jdong viewing it right now 06:25 heno I'd like help in collating the test data as it comes in 06:26 heno It might be just a few testers or a whole flood, who knows ;) 06:26 jdong first we need to get the word out more prominently 06:26 heno I also look forward to working with the Forum Ambassadors when they get going 06:26 jdong I don't think many people will find or look for that particular subforum 06:26 heno jdong: agreed 06:26 jdong forumsmatthew, PriceChild, staff, how should we go about it? 06:27 jdong the forums will have a large base of users willing to conduct such testing 06:27 heno It needs to be promoted, but a slow, rolling start is OK too 06:27 heno so we can figure out the mechanics of collating the data 06:27 heno we need to be able to trust the results also ... 06:28 jdong I'm currently reading the testing howto 06:28 jdong does testing require the instalation of ubuntu from the candidate ISO's 06:28 jdong or just booting them up and making sure they function 06:29 heno usually, yes 06:29 jdong ok 06:29 heno testing the Live CD is just the simplest test 06:29 jdong heno: first, I think the testing how-to needs to be tweaked a bit to be simpler to understand 06:29 heno installation (in various ways) is important 06:29 jdong exactly what is being asked 06:30 heno the one in the forum, or wiki (or both)? 06:30 jdong the one in the forum 06:30 jdong make it more clear what you want users to do in order to be helpful 06:30 jdong i.e. "find a spare computer that you can do ubuntu installations on, etc" 06:30 heno btw, also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current 06:31 heno the current test results page 06:31 heno right, I see. good point 06:31 jdong right now, the documents are pretty easy to understand for developers 06:31 forumsmatthew I think if you make it clear for people who are not used to doing this sort of thing 06:31 forumsmatthew how to do it 06:31 forumsmatthew you will get some good volunteers 06:31 jdong right 06:32 heno ok, cool 06:32 forumsmatthew most forums members are new at this sort of thing 06:32 forumsmatthew but want to help 06:32 forumsmatthew they just don't know how 06:32 forumsmatthew give clear steps and I think they will come 06:32 heno great, ok. I'll fix that 06:32 jdong we'd be glad to allow you to post a linking thread in a prominent area of the forum whenever testing is requested 06:32 jdong just right now, I think you'll get a lot of "huh?" and not much useful input 06:33 heno is there any other place we should post a basic introduction 06:33 jdong an introduction paragraph explaining in easy to understand terms of what ISO testing is, why it needs to be done, and what it involves from the user 06:33 heno the Cafe or something? 06:33 jdong would be nice for the howto 06:33 heno right 06:33 forumsmatthew I agree: howto 06:33 jdong heno: revise the testing how-to to be an easy-to-understand document 06:34 jdong with a quick summary at the top so users can quickly determine if they want to do it or not 06:34 heno yep, ok 06:34 heno thanks, good feedback 06:34 jdong then, every time a candidate CD rolls out, you can post a "ISO Testers Required" post in, say, the cafe, linking to that howto 06:35 jdong or perhaps such postings would be more appropriate in the Feisty Fawn development forum 06:35 heno Yes, I'm already a bit active there 06:35 forumsmatthew I think the development forum is the place where you are most likely to find people interested 06:35 jdong (http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=179) 06:36 forumsmatthew but an announement in the cafe with a link to the howto couldn't hurt 06:36 heno It also helps if they have some Linux familiarity too 06:36 PriceChild We really need to make the dev forum useful.... 06:36 jdong right 06:36 heno so they can file good bug reports with logs, etc 06:36 PriceChild edgy's was great but feisty's been a bit pants... a project like this would help loads :) 06:36 jdong heno: you can request any level of experience you think appropriate, just make it clear what you expect from testers please :) 06:36 jdong I also noticed this from heno: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=333915 06:37 jdong some of that should probably be expanded or updated 06:37 jdong i.e. AFAIK new specs aren't gonna be accepted for feisty anymore 06:37 jdong bug reporting, triaging, and testing ISO images should be expanded a bit 06:38 heno or reworded, rather 06:38 jdong with more info on what would be helpful 06:38 jdong and in the case of triaging, how to go about it 06:38 heno (I posted it just yesterday) 06:38 heno the point is basically that there is little point suggesting new features now 06:39 heno but you can always start on a spec for Feisty+1 06:39 jdong right 06:39 heno I should make that more clear 06:39 jdong say that bluntly :) 06:39 heno ok 06:39 jdong also, reword the bug triaging stuff to be a bit more 'threatening' 06:39 heno IN THE FORUM THINGS NEED TO BE SAID BLUNTLY I get it ;) 06:39 jdong more to the likening of "if you don't help us find these bugs, don't cry about the bugs on release day" 06:40 jdong ;-) 06:40 PriceChild come on you're a dev heno, you should know that already ;) 06:40 heno I've lived in England too long :) 06:40 jdong in any communicatons medium, people will skim and read with ADHD 06:40 heno yeah, need to sharpen my terseness a bit 06:40 PriceChild big bold red writing helps I find :P 06:40 jdong heno: at one point my backports guidelines were bumped to size-108 fonts 06:41 jdong because nobody would freakin listen :) 06:41 heno heh, ok 06:42 heno right, I think that's all from me for now 06:42 jdong heno: and whenever you see the forums having unholy behavior (using the forums as a bug tracker, posting unsafe checkinstalled debs or other unsafe instructions, etc) please let us know :) 06:42 jdong we'd like to keep that sort of behavior controlled 06:42 heno I'll check in on these meetings regularly 06:42 jdong don't be afraid to use the Report Posts button when you see stuff like that, heno 06:42 heno right, ok 06:43 heno I might apply for mod rights in the feisty forum too 06:43 heno (as I have in the ISO testing forum) 06:43 jdong heno: right now we have technical issues with vbulletin and making limited-mods 06:43 jdong heno: you say you have mod access in iso testing? 06:43 heno yes 06:43 jdong ok, perhaps things have changed :) 06:43 heno and I've used it sucessfully 06:44 jdong I +1 your mod rights to feisty forum 06:44 jdong ubuntugeek will have to apply that when I talk to him later 06:44 jdong ok, that takes care of the official agenda 06:44 heno right 06:44 jdong right? 06:44 PriceChild jdong, could we also maybe have the forum council subforum on the frontpage? 06:44 vorian_ according to the wiki yes 06:45 jdong PriceChild: that's stuff you talk to Ryan about :D 06:45 PriceChild hehe ok 06:45 jdong I don't like touching that part of admincp :D 06:45 PriceChild will ask him later 06:45 jdong there is one more thing I'd like to take this time to discuss.... 06:45 PriceChild jdong, what do you touch? ;) 06:45 jdong PriceChild: I spent a good portion of yesterday reading vbulletin documentation 06:45 jdong so I'm getting better darnit :) 06:46 vorian_ lol 06:46 PriceChild he he i was only joking sorry :) 06:46 jdong http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=330230 06:46 jdong we still have this unaddressed res center thread 06:46 jdong regarding where to draw the line with spamming 06:47 vorian_ it is borderline.... 06:47 jdong vorian_ indeed it is, but in this case the user seems to have good intentions at heart 06:47 jdong and from that thread, he is cooperative 06:47 vorian_ agreed, I see no self promotion 06:48 vorian_ it is for the betterment of ubuntu 06:48 jdong currently we have very weak/vague guidelines as to advertising vs spam 06:48 jdong "If a thread is spam it will be moved to the forum jail." 06:49 vorian_ what about community market 06:49 vorian_ ? 06:49 jdong vorian_ that says "please do not spam" :D 06:49 PriceChild I think its best we leave it to staff's discression 06:49 jdong aye, I think it should be left at the staff's discretion === vorian_ sorry 06:50 jdong I was thinking obtaining staff approval too 06:50 jdong particularly low-bean-count people 06:50 heno Perhaps let him re-post a slightly altered version, say without the '$$$' 06:51 heno at some clause about good taste to border-line spam case decisions 06:51 heno add, rather 06:51 jdong right 06:51 jdong I'm all for allowing tousimis to continue with his service 06:53 PriceChild I'm happy with him also 06:54 jdong so far I'm gonna reply to him that (1) He may continue promoting/developing/offering his service (2) Spam vs not spam decisions will be made on a per-case basis at the discretion of the staff member handling the thread (3) If you have low-bean count it's helpful to first clear it by PM'ing an administrator or staff member 06:54 jdong any objections? 06:54 PriceChild in addition to no. 1 06:54 PriceChild the promoting in the appropriate subforum 06:55 PriceChild and signature 06:55 jdong (marketplace?) 06:55 PriceChild yup 06:56 jdong what currently happens when a user is banned? 06:56 jdong are they unable to log in? 06:57 PriceChild depends on the type of ban? 06:57 jdong spam infractions? 06:57 PriceChild that's just a ban on the name 06:57 jdong the OP seems to state that he couldn't read his PM's? 06:57 jdong once he was banned 06:57 PriceChild yeah 06:57 jdong heh 06:57 PriceChild when you log in because of spam infraction you can't see aything 06:58 jdong can you see your infraction notices 06:58 PriceChild jdong, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=332163 06:58 PriceChild Nope 06:58 jdong and can you contact staff members for a rebuttal? 06:58 PriceChild vorian_, sorry but you can't see that link 06:58 PriceChild No 06:58 jdong uhm, lovely :) 06:58 PriceChild jdong, my issues with it were outlined int hat thread :) 06:58 vorian_ PriceChild: :) 06:59 jdong ok 06:59 jdong I think we need to refine the behavior of infraction-based bans 06:59 PriceChild uip 06:59 jdong but at a later meeting when all staff members are present 06:59 jdong it simply doesn't make sense at the moment 06:59 PriceChild jdong, arg rav tux has changed his avatar again lol :P 07:00 vorian_ hehe 07:00 PriceChild ubuntugeek mentioned making another meeting within a week or two because of the approval of matthew and mikeb 07:00 PriceChild we can sort things out then :) 07:02 PriceChild So.... === jdong still typing out a flowery version of what he said 07:03 vorian_ jdong: Does this council have a launchpad entry? 07:03 jdong vorian_: err i dont know :D 07:03 jdong lol 07:03 vorian_ hehe 07:03 jdong http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1989441#post1989441 , my response 07:04 PriceChild looks good :) 07:04 jdong ok, anything further? 07:04 PriceChild vorian_, not yet no 07:04 PriceChild Im' happy :) 07:04 jdong I'd like to play starcraft on my large screen 07:04 vorian_ jd 07:04 PriceChild I'll post logs to the subforum and wiki 07:05 jdong ok, PriceChild 07:05 jdong and vorian_ gets to have fun too :D 07:05 PriceChild seen as vorian_ got d/c and missed out bits :P 07:05 jdong yep 07:05 jdong ok, anything futher? 07:05 vorian_ PriceChild: thanks 07:05 jdong can I bang the hammer thingie? === vorian_ stands in applause! === jdong bangs hammer 07:06 jdong meeting is over, thanks to those who showed up and contributed 07:06 vorian_ thanks everyone! 07:06 jdong next meeting scheduled.... err... whenever :) 07:06 vorian_ that will be a fun one 07:06 jdong (we will likely have a follow-up meeting) 07:06 PriceChild 13th of february 07:06 PriceChild although there'll be one inbetween 07:06 jdong PriceChild: yeah 07:07 jdong anyway 07:07 jdong we can hammer out the agendas later :) 07:07 jdong alright, starcraft time :)
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