DapperDev_2006-03-16
03:02 mdz good morning
03:02 JaneW hi mdz
03:03 mdz Kamion: thanks for the call; lunch ran late
03:03 Kamion no problem
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03:03 BenC someone has to :)
03:03 JaneW *little wag*
03:03 mdz BenC: ready?
03:03 BenC Dapper Kernel Status: Bugs have mostly been caught up with. Major
updates since last week:
03:03 BenC - SPARC Niagara support courtesy of DaveM, and much effort from
Fabbione.
03:03 BenC - IPW2200 1.1.1 synced. This should fix a lot of firmware error bugs
(will be in -18.28)
03:03 BenC - Lots of sound fixes merged from alsa, coutesy of Daniel T. Chen
(crimsun)
03:03 BenC - cPad driver update (now known as synaptics-usb). Most people were
seeing a crash from this driver.
03:03 BenC Major bugs still needing fixes:
03:03 JaneW infinity really wants to go first
03:03 BenC - ACPI-PnP: Loss of functionality. Matthew Garrett (mjg59) is looking
into isolating the patch from ACPI-git to fix this problem.
- PPC Sound: Tumbler is still in regression since my fixes to get
03:03 BenC Toonie working. I think I am just going to revert the Tumbler
portions of this for dapper. Working with BenH to get the over-all
patch fixed for Tumbler as well.
- Odd crash with some x86 machines running -686 kernel. Seems SMP
03:04 BenC related. Other distros are experiencing this. Working with lkml folks
to resolve it.
03:04 BenC - Crash with amd64 systems running x86 kernels.
03:04 mdz JaneW: ok, he's next
- powernow-k8 seems to not be working for people with x86 kernels.
03:04 BenC Some people even report it not working with amd64 kernels. This is
working for me with exact same CPU as at least one other person
reported having the problem on. Investigating.
03:04 infinity JaneW: No, no, it's okay. I was being sarcastic. :)
03:04 BenC - Various regressions on rare peripherals. Working on these as I can.
03:04 mdz BenC: we seem to have a collection of interesting laptop-related bugs
at the moment
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03:04 mdz BenC: e.g., mvo's laptop hibernating when he disconnects the power
03:04 infinity BenC: Does that ipw2200 merge include an ipw2100 merge as well?
03:05 BenC mdz: yeah, those are on the list too
03:05 infinity BenC: And the 3945 stuff? (so I can do the LRM side of that)
03:05 BenC infinity: it will, but 2200 was more important
03:05 pitti BenC: I deem broken capabilities as not too unimportant, too
03:05 mvo BenC: if I can help you debugging it let me know
03:05 BenC mvo: I'll email to schedule some time, if that's ok
03:05 Keybuk BenC: the PNP stuff is (unsurprisingly) causing problem for everyone
03:06 mvo BenC: sure, that's fine. best is next week when I'm back from the
sprint
03:06 Keybuk personally I blame mjg59, as his Mactel is the only i386 around
*without* PNP :p
03:06 BenC infinity: 3945 needs a tester so we don't dump stuff in blind like I
did with rtl81xx junk
03:06 infinity BenC: Yeah, I think we're waiting on someone (anyone) to actually get
one in the mail.
03:06 BenC Keybuk: yeah, me too :)
03:06 infinity BenC: I'd love to see a T60 before release.
03:06 BenC I have PCIE, but not mini-PCIE
03:06 mdz BenC: did you get much feedback from the most recent Flight?
03:06 kbrooks may I ask a question?
03:07 BenC and I can't find a adapter board
03:07 pitti kbrooks: you just did :)
03:07 BenC mdz: it seems we are getting a lot more testing now
03:07 mdz BenC: do we have a handle on where we stand as far as regressions?
03:07 kbrooks so I'm allowed. OK.
03:07 BenC mdz: I think so
03:07 Keybuk I think it'd be worth blessing the next Flight (or even 5) with a
"ready for large-scale testing" label
03:07 Kamion kbrooks: if it's on-topic for this team meeting; otherwise please use
a different channel
BenC: That's to be expected as we near release. Sadly, most
03:07 infinity regressions get found within a month or less of release, which will
put you in hardcore crunch mode for a while.
03:08 mdz Keybuk: indeed, and explicitly random hardware testing
03:08 mdz right, we need to move on
03:08 mdz BenC: thanks
03:08 BenC I agree, things are ramping up, and odd bugs are being found
03:08 mdz dholbach: ?
03:08 BenC now it's in time, but later it will be too late
03:08 dholbach mdz: not infinity? :)
03:08 kbrooks hibernation: i think we should show a progress bar for it.
03:08 dholbach example-content: another version uploaded, flat directory structure
03:08 dholbach icon-mission: prioritisation ongoing, community efforts are planned,
will setup buildsystem today
03:08 dholbach this week (done): GNOME 2.14.0, started triaging HUGE bug backlog
03:08 dholbach this week (todo): icon-mission, bug triage, HUG DAY on Friday!
03:08 dholbach next week: (bug triage)++
03:08 mdz dholbach: he said he wasn't serious
03:08 dholbach right
03:08 kbrooks thatis all.
03:08 infinity Sarcasm is lost on this group.
03:09 BenC kbrooks: off-topic... -devel mailing list would be best
03:09 mdz dholbach: example-content is looking good
03:09 mdz dholbach: GNOME 2.14.0 seems a bit rough around the edges
03:09 mdz what's your assessment?
03:09 kbrooks dholbach, icion-mission: i'm unfimilar with it. what is it, anyway?
and i might participate in the bug triaging
03:09 dholbach mdz: to be honest I don't have an overview yet... i have 1705 unread
desktop bugs mails
03:10 doko mdz: can I make example-content make depend on openoffice.org?
(pictures show up in the OOo gallery ...)
03:10 Keybuk infinity: it's not lost, it just fades into the general background of
sarcasm
03:10 dholbach kbrooks: I don't think we have the time to elaborate here, let's chat
after the meeting
03:10 kbrooks dholbach, all right.
03:10 dholbach kbrooks: but I'm happy if you join the bug efforts :)
03:10 mdz doko: can you conditionalize it so that they're added to the gallery
if ooo is installed, otherwise do nothing?
03:10 kbrooks dholbach, where? :)
03:11 doko mdz: I'll have a look, or mabe a new binary package
03:11 mdz doko: ok
03:11 mdz dholbach: do you need help with the bug day?
03:11 mdz now would be the time to round it up, if so
03:11 dholbach mdz: I'd be happy if somebody joined seb and me
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03:12 dholbach you can add yourself and your tasks to:
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
03:12 doko dholbach: can do that for 1/2 day
dholbach: I'd be happy to pop in and dump FTBFS bugs on everyone as I
03:12 infinity go through build logs tomorrow, but I can't promise much help with
mentoring/sponsorship type stuff.
03:12 dholbach nice, thanks
03:12 pitti dholbach: since now I'm in real bug fixing mood, I'll join
03:12 mdz Kinnison: would you do a bug day sortie as well?
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03:12 dholbach i plan to do them every 2nd week from now on
03:13 JaneW mdz: Kinnison isn't here yet, we are pinging him
03:13 mdz are we missing anyone else?
03:13 JaneW everyone else is accounted for - except sivang
03:13 doko iwj
03:13 JaneW iwj is on leave
03:13 dholbach but he's on vacation
03:13 seb128 doko: he's on VAC
03:13 mdz right
03:13 JaneW fabbione is prepping for funeral
03:13 mdz thanks dholbach
03:13 mdz doko: ?
03:13 JaneW and jbailey said he isn;t needed
03:14 kbrooks funerals suck... :) </random>
- toolchain-roadmap: final versions in the archives for all
03:14 doko architectures (v8 on sparc), java problems on hppa (not that critical
for main), lamont not yet happy, infinity starts feeling better.
03:14 doko - toolchain-roadmap-ng: blocked
- openoffice.org: results from the OOo sprint last weekend in the
03:14 doko archive (closed about 120 reports for things fixed in 2.0.2, fixed
another 15 at the weekend or later), more complete report today to
ubuntu-devel.
03:14 doko - other: uploads and bug fixed on OOo related packages, OOo & l10n
and OOo & font discussions
03:14 mdz JaneW: correct
03:14 mdz doko: how was the sprint?
03:14 doko too much pizza
03:14 mdz (overall, I'll wait for your report)
03:14 mdz productive?
03:14 doko but anyway, we finished many things, yes!
03:15 infinity doko: You forget to mention the ia32-libs-dev purge I see in my INBOX
right now.
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kbrooks: hibernation> this isn't the place for random bug reports or
03:15 Kamion wishlist ideas, I'm afraid; please take those elsewhere. This is a
status meeting to establish what distro team hackers have done this
week and what they're planning to do next week.
03:15 mdz doko: hopefully it will make it easier to continue collaboration
online as well
03:15 doko infinity: ahh yes
03:15 doko mdz: I think so, it was a good start.
03:15 mdz doko: thanks
03:15 mdz heno: anything to report?
* example-content: implemented. Some updates and tweaks to individual
03:16 heno files will continue to be made. mdzzzz.ogg is no longer the default
video :)
03:16 infinity Shame.
03:16 mdz heno: something a bit longer?
03:16 pitti mdzzzzzzzz ;)
03:16 dholbach yes a recorded desktop session
03:17 mdz oh, interesting
03:17 mdz will check it out after the upgrade
03:17 Mithrandir heno: it's a fresh video from the latest sprint instead?
03:17 heno a video of the dsktop in action, but it needs to be redone with the
new look
03:17 nhaines What a shame. :)
03:17 mdz thanks heno
03:17 mdz infinity: next
last week buildd: Finish with sparc and ia64 catching up, lit up hppa
buildds and began the long, hard road to hppa catching up
03:17 infinity again. Went through every failed build log I could find in the last
two weeks and did judicious fixes/give-backs to try to sort what I
could.
last week distro: Helped Colin and Tollef release Flight-5, upated
03:17 infinity LRM for new fglrx and AVM Fritz, random bugfixes in packages that
were either FTBFS or causing others to fail.
next week buildd: Taking another hack day or two (already approved by
03:17 infinity mdz) to work with cprov on soyuz buildd shortcomings, trying to
finish the hppa backlog, and going further back in time with failed
build logs, fixing or bugfiling where appropriate.
next week distro: Bug triaging and fixing in just about everything I
03:17 infinity pseudo-maintain, focussing first on crucial bugs in
initramfs-tools. Testing and uploading pkgbinarymangler to replace
pkgstriptranslations and do Maintainer field mangling.
03:18 mdz infinity: what sort of issues are afoot with initramfs-tools?
03:18 infinity The worst being that if /tmp or /boot run out of space, it just
blindly carries on and you end up with an unbootable system. :)
03:18 infinity (Yes, that bug's been there isnce breezy)
03:18 infinity since, too.
03:18 mdz sweet
03:18 infinity doko tried to hurt me earlier today for that one, so it's time I
fixed it.
03:19 infinity There are other poorly (or non) handled failure cases that are
slightly less severe, I'll go through a bunch.
03:19 doko heh, why do have _I_ find these things as the first person? :-/
03:19 mdz doko: because you fill your disks with openoffice builds?
03:19 infinity doko: You weren't the first, just the scariest / most German.
03:19 mdz thanks, infinity
03:19 ogra infinity, did bddebian file a bug for you? seems cpqarray doesnt end
up in the initramfs recently
03:20 doko mdz: not my /boot partiton ;p
03:20 mdz we have no iwj?
03:20 mvo on vac
03:20 seb128 mdz: he's on VAC this weel
03:20 seb128 week
03:20 mdz right, of course
03:20 infinity ogra: He caught me on IRC. It's mentally filed.
03:20 ogra oki
03:20 mdz Kamion: next
03:20 Kamion ue-gnome-ui: Identification page totally reworked; several other
small UI changes.
ue-partitioning-tool: Partitioning committal moved to the main
03:20 Kamion installation progress bar. Some gparted bugs are currently blocking
me from testing part of this properly, though.
03:20 Kamion ubuntu-express: Internationalisation support on its way, now that
I've implemented the escape capability in debconf.
misc: Little spec progress this week, since I had about half the week
03:20 Kamion eaten by the installer security vulnerability in Breezy. We're going
to release updated Breezy CD images at some point, although they
won't make the last shipit batch.
next-week: Integrate Fabio's disk selector (really). Finish
03:20 Kamion internationalisation. Deal with various partitioning bugs that have
been reported. Start on updated Breezy CD images.
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03:21 mdz Kamion: is the wiki todo up to date?
03:21 Kamion yes
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03:22 mdz it's still a bit distressingly long
03:23 JaneW Kamion: can you do %'s again?
03:23 mdz Kamion: of those items, the partman commit (for usability) and
localisation (for the benefit of translators) look to be priorities
03:23 Kamion I could do with help on UI bits, which account for a lot of the
length; hope Kinnison can do that when he's finished launchpadding
03:23 mdz Kamion: ok, will see who I can get for you
03:24 Kamion mdz: the partman commit is IMHO not a huge deal now that most of it's
been moved to the final progress bar
03:24 Keybuk UI is possibly something I can help with
03:24 JaneW ok fabbione sent the following
03:24 mdz Kamion: hmm, ok, haven't done an install since last week
03:24 mdz Kamion: thanks
03:24 Kamion it's only starting up partman a couple more times, is all
fabbione * server-candy: Missing/buggy: apache2 for "central snakeoil
03:24 JaneW SSL setup" and kernel -server as default from CD install. Added
rc.local support on mdz/sabdfl request.
fabbione * ubuntu-cluster: Waiting ocfs2-tools release for new
03:24 JaneW userland to sync with the kernel that will allow (finally) full
desync later.
fabbione * last week: Finished with partman-auto core modifications
to present disk-selector and later how to trash a disk. Patch is in
03:24 JaneW Kamion hands for string love. Bug fixing. Started looking into some X
stuff. No don't start asking me when bug foo will be fixed because I
have no idea.
03:24 JaneW fabbione * next week: hw upgrade at the office, bug fixing and more
bug fixing.
03:24 Kamion mdz: that only went in about twenty minutes ago anyway
03:24 heno does UI require coding or will testing and advice help?
03:24 mdz Keybuk: please dive in then; coordinate with Kamion
03:24 Kamion heno: code
03:24 heno oki :)
03:25 JaneW and iwj asked me to reminder everyone of his request for LP feedback
03:25 JaneW (as sent to warthogs)
I mean, testing and advice won't hurt, but we do have rather a lot of
03:25 Kamion that piled up already and I think it might help to clear this lot of
feedback away first before getting another pile
03:25 JaneW s/reminder/remind/
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03:25 heno yep, np
03:25 mdz yes, please do ensure that your most critical launchpad
needs/feedback are sent to iwj
03:25 mdz Keybuk: next?
03:26 Kamion er, fabbione and I obviously miscommunicated, I didn't realise he was
expecting me to finish off the partman-auto disk selector patch
03:26 Keybuk udev: some minor bugs fixed, including one that affected Installer.
03:26 Keybuk netbase: still a strange bug where for no apparent reason, wifi cards
cause "Configuring network interfaces" to stop on boot
network-manager: have been investigating 0.6 and would like to
recommend that we look at shipping that in dapper, along with
03:26 Keybuk wpa_supplicant -- with the extended release cycle it would still get
more testing than I was expecting 0.5 to get. It also fixes a lot of
damned irritating problems.
n-m on livecd: generally response has been good, except for casper
03:26 Keybuk seeding /etc/network/interfaces badly -- haven't had a response from
Tollef yet about that.
03:26 Kamion I thought I had already told him my views and that he would finish it
off
03:26 Keybuk next week: going to grep every binary for /var/run, /etc/hotplug,
etc. and fix them all.
03:26 Keybuk other: I'd like to help out with ftp archive/cd building/etc. do we
need more people for this?
03:26 mdz Kamion: ok, please follow up via email
03:26 Mithrandir Keybuk: huh? I haven't seen anything about that from you?
03:26 Keybuk Mithrandir: are you /dev/null'ing your Malone mail?
03:26 Keybuk or is Malone just sulking
03:26 Mithrandir Keybuk: no, not ttbomk
Keybuk: not much with CD building now that Mithrandir and infinity
03:26 Kamion are up to speed on it, but I'm the only active archive admin at
present
03:26 pitti Keybuk: _ion is already working on 0.6 packages and ported much of
our changes, are you aware of that?
03:27 Keybuk pitti: yup, I'm going to merge his work with mine
03:27 Kamion which chews up more of my time than I would like
03:27 mdz Keybuk: when you have 0.6 in hand, let's revisit whether to add it to
desktop
03:27 Keybuk Kamion: I'd be happy to learn that and take some of the work from you
03:27 infinity Kamion: I have ftpmaster rights, but have not been abusing them out
of deference to others.
03:27 Keybuk Mithrandir: k, let's go over it after meeting
03:27 Mithrandir Keybuk: 'k
03:27 infinity Kamion: If you need more help in that area, just holler.
03:27 Kamion mdz: opinion on ftpmastery?
03:28 mdz Kamion: is elmo still helping out there?
03:28 Kamion if Keybuk's keen, I see no reason not to
03:28 Riddell Keybuk: are there packages for n-m 0.6 yet?
03:28 Kamion mdz: not since the switch to Soyuz
03:28 Kamion which I think is more a matter of time than policy
03:28 Kamion (since he's busy with the tools)
03:28 mdz Kamion: ok, please help Keybuk get up to speed then
Kamion: There are certainly times when doing buildd stuff that I'd
03:29 infinity like to NEW things on my own, etc, but don't, as I don't want to to
step on toes.
03:29 Kamion Keybuk: please mail RT to get access
03:29 Kamion I also don't object to infinity being able to smooth his own path
03:29 mdz Keybuk: please munge Kamion's teachings into a wiki page for the next
time around (and for me)
03:29 Kamion Keybuk: let me know when that's done and I shall dispense runic
wisdom or something
03:29 mdz infinity: feel free to deal with binary NEW yourself
03:30 mdz Keybuk: I'll try to remember to tap elmo when I see him later today
03:30 mdz Keybuk: thanks
03:30 infinity Keybuk: You need to be added to the "lp_archive" group for ftpmastery
(make that explicit in your RT ticket)
03:30 mdz Kinnison: here?
03:30 pitti speaking of archive tools, if I sat down and wrote a tool that does
syncs, would anyone hurt me?
03:31 mdz pitti: I spoke to kiko about this yesterday, and he said that josie
has been ported to soyuz already
03:31 Kamion pitti: I understand that elmo's part-way through such a tool, but you
could talk to him
03:31 mdz /srv/launchpad.net/codelines/current/scripts/sync-source.py --help
03:31 pitti oh, neat
03:31 infinity elmo's tool is stalled on him having some anger management issues
with his tools, apparently.
03:31 mdz Kamion: <kiko> in lp_queue's home there is a HOWTO-SYNC file
03:31 Kamion mdz: can you get a definitive answer out of elmo on whether that's
definitely OK to use?
03:32 mdz Kamion: not at the moment; try it and see?
03:32 Kamion I don't like using tools that look finished but might not be blessed
yet
03:32 pitti I pile up new requests every day, and doing them later doesn't help
to make UVF exceptions better
03:32 Kamion been bitten by that already
03:32 infinity Kamion: Last I heard, it was still somewhat unhappy.
03:32 mdz infinity: once the tool is sorted, would you own syncs going forward?
03:32 infinity Kamion: Or, in his words, "I though it was working, then it broke
again"
03:32 infinity mdz: Sure thing.
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mdz: If you can chase up elmo on the status of said tool, that'd be
03:33 infinity cool, since you'r ein the same town. If not, I'll bug him when we
cross paths.
03:33 JaneW I'll mail Kinnison
03:34 mdz_ infinity: once the tool is sorted, would you own syncs going forward?
03:34 infinity mdz: And if you missed my previous message:
03:34 mdz_ Kamion: I'll follow up with kiko/elmo
03:34 mdz_ JaneW: thanks
03:34 infinity 07:32 < infinity> mdz: Sure thing.
03:34 Kamion thanks
03:34 mdz_ infinity: cool
03:34 pitti thanks
03:34 dholbach yeah, cool :)
03:34 mdz_ Mithrandir: next?
misc: keyboards. Korean keyboard handling is getting there,
03:34 Mithrandir espresso's keyboard handling is getting there and I'm getting bored
of keymaps. Also done some small fixes to gdm, evolution and the
clock applet for pet peeves. Also: released flight-5
03:35 Mithrandir next week: More keyboard stuff, possibly flight-6 (end of next week),
possibly popcon.u.c
03:35 Mithrandir blocked: no
03:35 mdz_ Mithrandir: what remains on espresso keyboard stuff?
03:36 Mithrandir mdz_: it doesn't actually apply any of the settings yet.
03:36 Mithrandir it needs a map from installer keymaps to X keymaps and do
immediate-apply of those
03:36 infinity (Does Mithrandir get bonus points for visiting the Korean embassy
just to get a keyboard?)
03:36 mdz_ infinity: yes
03:36 sivang heh
mdz_: it's "almost there", but I keep being distracted with stuff
03:37 Mithrandir like the korean keyboards and such, which is why it's moving slower
than I'd like.
03:38 mdz_ Mithrandir: however, espresso is still very high priority, so don't
let the Korean keyboard become too much of a time sink
03:38 Kamion (the map is easy, BTW, we just lift it out of xserver-xorg.config)
03:38 mdz_ that can land later, needs less testing
03:38 mdz_ Mithrandir: thanks
03:38 mdz_ mvo: next?
03:38 mvo Did:
03:38 mvo - ui-sprint:
03:38 mvo * new notification-bubbles design in the archive
03:38 mvo - i18n-sprint:
03:38 mvo * build/uploaded a bunch of thai support packages
03:38 mvo * worked on a general input-method solution (uploaded, only zh_HK
missing)
03:38 mvo * banged my head against fontconfig for CJK (it's all pretty
horrid)
03:38 mvo - misc:
03:38 mvo * various update for update-manager, g-a-i, update-notifier, fonts
03:38 mvo * a bit of work on the dist-upgrade tool (little, I need my usual
setup to properly work/test stuff)
03:38 mvo * finished the backport of the tools for the dist-upgrader
03:39 mvo Will do:
03:39 mvo - get hold of infinity to get the auto-dist-upgrade test chroot setup
03:39 mvo - get the upgrade tool into the archive
- try to get promotion to main for the backported python-vte in
03:39 mvo breezy-updates (from universe to main) if that is possible (for the
dist-upgrade-tool)
03:39 mvo - catchup with the stuff that I wasn't able to do due to sprinting
(my todo list is pretty long currently :(
03:39 mvo - see if the OFL font license is suitable for main (seems so)
03:39 Kamion ug, don't know whether we can promote stuff just in breezy-updates
03:39 mdz_ mvo: any hope for fontconfig?
03:39 mvo Kamion: it would be nice otherwise people need to add breezy-updates
universe
03:40 Kamion I can try, I guess; will need to clone off an anastacia setup for
breezy+breezy-updates to make sure the world remains sane
03:40 mdz_ mvo: please send me your todo list via email; I'll give you a hand
with prioritization
03:40 pitti mdz_: we had a pretty nice discussion with Abel some hours ago, will
have another round after the meeting I guess
mdz_: very hard problem, unfortunately we have no real expert here.
03:40 mvo we will probably send configs for the languages that need special
treatment
03:40 doko mvo: OFL?
03:41 mdz_ mvo: if you can find someone upstreamish, I'm happy to fund a bounty
to get what we need
03:41 mvo mutl-languages font configuration is a big problem in general, that's
for sure
03:41 mvo mdz_: thanks, I'll try
03:41 mvo doko: open font license
03:41 ogra doko, open foint license ?
03:41 mdz_ mvo: I don't think we can target multi-language configurations for
Dapper; focus on getting each language right first
03:41 mvo mdz_: the current plan is to ship configs in language-selector
(fontconfig snippets)
03:42 mvo mdz_: that are selected based on the default language (if they are
required)
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03:42 mdz_ eek
03:42 mvo doko: http://scripts.sil.org/OFL
03:42 pitti mvo: so you discarded the 'let's chop fonts' approach?
03:42 mdz_ mvo: how will we get it set up correctly at install time?
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03:43 mvo the trouble is that zh_CN and zh_TW have different preferences for
fonts and we can't easily put that in language-{support,pack}
03:43 doko mvo: one nice unicode font is there ...
03:43 mvo doko: which one?
03:43 mvo pitti: that solve only part of the problem
03:44 mvo mdz_: we need to work that out
03:44 pitti mvo: right, but better one part solved and one open than two open :)
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03:44 pitti the other problem is an intrinsic font design problem that we can't
solve
03:44 doko mvo: Gentium
03:45 mdz_ mvo: ok, thanks
03:45 mdz_ we can continue the fontconfig discussion after the meeting
03:45 mdz_ ogra: next?
03:45 mvo daf had a idea what we could try to solve one problem without
chopping
* general: flight 5 preparation and testing, fixed
ltsp-update-sshkeys to copy the keys even if sshd isnt running, other
small ltsp fixes, hunted the gnome-screensaver GL hacks flicker,
03:45 ogra found the reason, working on a fix. fixed the "two menu entries for
screensaver preferences" bug (upload pending (will happen today)),
worked on dirtributor-icon inclusion for edubuntu-artwork, no
edubuntu-docs work yet. prepared and moved the complete hwdb dataset
03:45 ogra (~4.5G) to the DC.
next-week: poke gnome-screensaver harder, get the flickering fixed
(make sure GL screensavers are displayed in a GL visual by
03:45 ogra gnome-screensaver), more edubuntu-artwork stuff, more edubuntu-docs
work, look into progressbar handling of ltsp-client-builder.udeb now
that UI freeze slided, more small ltsp fixes.
03:45 mvo doko: we have it in multiverse currently (can probably go to
universe/main)
03:45 mdz_ ogra: what's the reason for the flickering?
03:45 ogra mdz_, g-s-s uses the default visual of the screen
03:46 ogra it must use the GL visual
03:46 doko mvo: yes, was on my TODO list, now on your's ;p
=== mvo kicks doko
03:46 ogra xscreensaver has handling for that in the daemon
03:46 mdz_ ogra: good, should be straightforward from here. thanks for tracking
it down
03:46 ogra my job, eh ? ;)
03:47 mdz_ indeed
03:47 mdz_ pitti: next?
03:47 pitti educing-duplication:
03:47 pitti * status: no progress last week; gnutls transition is ready on
primary arches, SCCs need to catch up;
* plan: sort out SCCs for gnutls12, finish libgd demotion, discuss
03:47 pitti libsqlite0 demotion with infinity (php5-sqlite is the only package
that needs to be changed)
general stuff done this week: security updates, new langpacks, tons
03:47 pitti of bug triage and fixing, annoyed Kamion with lots of espresso bug
reports, lots of font discussion for the l10n sprint
03:47 pitti next week: bug fixing, CD testing
03:47 pitti s/^/r/ :)
03:47 Kamion I demoted some of libgd yesterday
03:47 pitti I think it needs a rebuild of *desktop to get the python-gdchart out
of it
03:48 pitti should be mostly brainless stuff
03:48 infinity pitti: I'm babysitting the SCCs with gnutls, I'll ping you when it's
ready.
03:48 pitti thanks
03:48 infinity pitti: And we can discuss sqlite at another time.
03:48 mdz_ pitti: looks like the main inclusion queue is back down to a
reasonable size
03:48 pitti the only serious issue is sqlite, the rest is straightforward
03:48 pitti mdz_: I tried hard, but I still shy away from things like asterisk...
03:49 Kamion anastacia isn't too bad at the moment either
03:49 sivang asterisk to be brought in main? interesting.
03:49 pitti I did some cleanup yesterday, will do a followup on that next week
03:49 mdz Kamion: indeed, looking much more manageable
03:49 mdz thanks, both of you
03:49 Kamion there's some noise from hppa which will go away once it's caught up
03:49 pitti some stuff in it needs packaging fixes
03:49 mdz seb128: next?
This week: GNOME 2.14.0, fixed firefox so GNOME stuff build again,
03:49 seb128 fixed xorg cursor theme use, played with new xkeyboard-config that
fixes GNOME xkb issues which are a frequent user complain, update
menu item names and tooltips with changes pointed by mail
03:49 seb128 Tomorrow: bug day
Next week(century?): bugs catching up and fixing (went from 10 unread
03:49 seb128 bug mails before UI sprint to 400 and that's with keeping one mail
unread by bug usually...lot of backlog to work on)
03:50 Kamion silbs tells me that the ops team is ready to go with promoting
Xubuntu, so I may do that pretty soon
03:50 Kamion ops/support that is
03:50 mdz seb128: mmm, would be good to get GNOME+xkb sorted
03:50 janimo \o/
03:50 seb128 mdz: updating xkeyboard-config from 0.6 to 0.8 would do it
03:50 seb128 mdz: Mithrandir is looking on it
03:50 mdz janimo: ;-)
03:51 Keybuk . o O { it'd be nice if GNOME/X could get the right bloody key for
PrintScreen }
03:51 seb128 according to daniels there should be no issue with the upgrade
03:51 seb128 (and works fine for me)
03:51 mdz seb128: what can we do to help you and dholbach process the desktop
bugs faster? any low-hanging fruit we could change in malone?
03:51 pitti seb128: for french keyboards :)
03:52 seb128 mdz: nothing obvious no, the issue is the quantity of bugs coming atm
...
03:52 kbrooks Keybuk, isnt that discussion offtopic here
03:53 seb128 mdz: would be nice to have the search non returning closed bugs
though
03:53 pitti seb128++
03:53 seb128 but bradb knows about it
03:53 sivang seb128++
03:53 pitti that's utterly annoying
03:53 seb128 atm it takes ages to find a bug due to that
03:53 mdz seb128: is there a controversy over whether it should be changed?
03:53 mdz or is it to be fixed?
03:53 seb128 to be fixed
03:53 mdz good
03:54 Keybuk I sat down with bradb a couple of weeks ago and gave him the spec for
a "bugs I need to fix" page
03:54 mdz I'm not going to make it over to the LP sprint before I leave, but
they're charging ahead over there
03:54 Keybuk I think the reason it isn't done is that LP would struggle to produce
it in time
03:54 Keybuk so hopefully with the performance upgrades they've been doing, we'll
see it soon
03:54 mdz Keybuk: is it written up? I'd like to see it
03:54 seb128 extending the number of bugs by page would be nice too
03:55 mvo seb128++
03:55 pitti right, even if it's just manually changing batch_end (but that
doesn't work ATM)
03:55 seb128 because having to browser 10 pages to browse the nautilus bug is
really subobtimal
03:55 Keybuk mdz: I didn't, I'll find out whether he did
03:56 dholbach and make sorting work not across the 20 bugs displayed, but across
the whole set
03:56 mdz seb128: agreed
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03:56 pitti these issues are mainly a db problem
03:56 seb128 dholbach: you can edit the URL for that
03:56 pitti it's not that it's wanted that way
03:56 mdz dholbach: really, does it not sort the full list?
03:56 mdz I see
03:56 pitti no, just the displayed batch
03:57 Mithrandir the sorting is useless due to that, IMO
03:57 dholbach mdz: the last time I tried not... from that time on, I only used
advanced searches with handpicked bug statuses
03:57 seb128 mdz: no, they dropped the option from the UI, and clicking on the
column acts on the page
03:57 seb128 mdz: but you can add the parameter by hand to the URI as a workaround
03:57 mdz ok, either deal with bradb/kiko directly or queue issues with iwj for
next week
03:57 mdz seb128: thanks
03:57 mdz sivang: ?
03:59 sivang mdz: here
03:59 mdz sivang: you wanted to report something?
03:59 sivang mdz: had some good progress the last week, I can see the end now,
approxmt. in one week from now or less
04:00 mdz sivang: ok
04:00 sivang mdz: backend are are ready, including burn and isobuilding, all left
is glade and PyGTK UI hacking to finish.
04:00 sivang (including supoort for multisession for differential backups)
04:00 mdz sivang: please type your updates in advance in the future; it saves a
great deal of time
04:00 sivang mdz: yes, sorry
04:00 mdz sivang: thanks
04:00 mdz Riddell: next?
04:01 Riddell done:
04:01 Riddell ui sprint artwork
04:01 Riddell flight 5
04:01 Riddell fix the main problems in flight 5, and test & upload numberous other
bugfixes people have sent me
04:01 Riddell currently doing:
04:01 Riddell kdm usplash_down
04:01 Riddell next week:
04:01 Riddell kde espresso, KDE 3.5.2 packaging
04:01 sivang mdz: (a package will get uploaded soon to universe , so you could see
where this is going)
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espresso's gtkui has moved on a fair bit; though I've tried to keep
04:01 Kamion kde-ui up to date with some of it, I couldn't manage it all, so
you'll have a fair bit of catching up to do
04:02 Kamion suggestions for things that could be moved into common code are
welcome
04:02 sladen * sivang pinged me about reviewing it, so I guess it's nearly there
04:02 Riddell Kamion: yep, I'll look out for that
04:02 mdz Riddell: happy to fund external work for kde espresso if you can find
someone
04:02 Riddell some people from a spanish uni are helping but currently they seem to
be rewriting the whole frontend, which isn't terribly helpful
04:02 mdz Riddell: how is the overall bug situation for kubuntu?
04:03 Kamion Riddell: that all sounds disturbingly familiar and should be nipped
in the bud sooner rather than later
04:03 Riddell mdz: major bugs has improved a lot, CUPS is the only vital one still
04:03 Kamion people need to learn the value of incremental improvements that can
be looked at piece by piece
mdz: I know this has been asked a million times but what's happening
04:04 JaneW re the delay descision, has there beena special TB sitting yet, or
is one scheduled?
04:04 mdz JaneW: it happened yesterday
04:04 pitti Riddell: would upgrading to 1.2beta help in any way?
04:04 Kinnison mdz: When is bug day?
04:04 mdz the decision was ratified
04:04 Kamion JaneW: already done, delay agreed - sabdfl will be writing an
announcement
04:04 JaneW oic
04:04 mdz Kinnison: tomorrow I think; coordinate with dholbach
04:04 Kamion and circulating it around CC/TB before sending
04:04 JaneW ok thanks, I missed that
04:04 Riddell pitti: I doubt it would make any difference, the problem is on KDE's
side
04:04 kbrooks Kamion, what the?
04:04 BenC mdz: will this affect the sprint scheduled in May?
04:04 kbrooks oh SHIT...
04:04 JaneW I assumed it would be passed
04:04 mdz BenC: yes
04:04 pitti Riddell: I know, but KDE might port to 1.2 directly
=== kbrooks curses at ubuntu
04:04 Kinnison mdz: I can only do that if I get agreement from stevea
04:05 mdz kbrooks: please
=== Kinnison will ask him now
04:05 dholbach kbrooks: calm yourself
04:05 JaneW mdz: do we know any details of new sprint dates yet?
04:05 BenC mdz: delayed, or change of priorities in the sprint?
04:05 Kamion kbrooks: this is not the place. Please refrain from deliberately
disrupting our meeting.
04:05 Riddell pitti: sure, it wouldn't make things any worse certainly
04:05 mdz BenC: will be rescheduled
04:05 JaneW BenC: I asked sabdfl and he said if Dapper is delayed the sprint will
be delayed till after dapper is released
04:05 mdz JaneW: no, silbs and I were discussing it today
04:05 JaneW mdz: oh
04:06 mdz but yes, definitely after Dapper
04:06 mdz tentatively mid-June
04:06 infinity mdz: Which would put it pretty close to Spain, then. Is that also
affected/changed?
04:06 mdz infinity: probably will be replaced
04:07 mdz or merged
04:07 JaneW well need to sort this out soon, so that all the leave plans can get
figured out again etc
04:07 seb128 bah, after GUADEC was nice
=== infinity agrees with JaneW.
04:07 mdz JaneW: silbs is planning it
04:07 Kinnison mdz: Essentially the answer is "no" unless I can get everything done
I need to before then
04:07 JaneW mdz: and the debain folk can still go to debconf?
04:07 infinity I was planning on leave around the conference, so I'd like to get
some dates so I can put in requeusts and plan. :)
04:07 Kinnison mdz: We're very busy here and since they only have me for a week
they're making heavy use of me
04:07 mdz seb128: yes...but we will already be short on time for dapper+1 and
need to meet earlier
04:07 mdz Kinnison: right, I thought you were there next week rather than this
week
04:07 mdz Kinnison: no worries
04:08 mdz JaneW: as planned
04:08 Kinnison mdz: nup, I'm back on distro next week :-)
04:08 mdz infinity: it'll go out to the lists as soon as it's finalized
04:08 infinity mdz: Excellent, danke.
04:08 infinity Are we through meeting, then?
04:08 mdz we have a backlog of bugs in Malone which no one has looked at yet
04:09 mdz i.e., bugs which aren't automatically CCed to anyone
04:09 mvo do we have a filter for "main" and "universe" now?
04:09 mdz traditionally I had trawled these, but it's grown so far beyond my
available time that it's laughable
04:09 JaneW I will be bugging anypone with goald which are not yet marked
'Implemented' in the morning. Be warned.
04:09 Kamion is there a way to get a report of those?
04:09 infinity How do we find bugs without auto-CCs?
04:09 Kamion snap
=== seb128 tries to look quite often to new bug and grab desktopish one and reassign some
04:09 mdz seb128: yes, but you, too, are only one person ;-)
04:10 seb128 right
04:10 pitti I tried to in the past, but the flood of universe bugs makes tracking
ubuntu-bugs almost impossible
04:10 Keybuk there's no main/universe filter that I'm aware of
04:10 pitti or, at least, needs too much time
04:10 mdz Kamion: was talking with kiko about that yesterday, will see what can
be done
04:10 Keybuk I was told that that query is damned hard in Launchpad, and would
take minutes to run
04:10 mdz for now, ubuntu-bugs is a good start
04:10 mdz mvo: not yet, but it's on the whiteboard next to me as a target for
the LP sprint
04:11 mvo Keybuk: maybe it would be possible to generate a static page for this
(as a workaround)?
04:11 Kinnison Keybuk: pardon? minutes?
04:11 mdz mvo: kiko said it wouldn't be too hard
04:11 sivang seb128: please CC me on g-s-t stuff that goes through you , I'll
start taking look at them when I've finished with HUB.
04:11 seb128 no human is able to keep up with ubuntu-bugs traffic
04:11 Kamion Keybuk: you mean the main/universe filter would take minutes?
04:11 seb128 sivang: you know, you can subscribe to a package
04:11 Keybuk Kamion: yeh
04:11 Kamion I look at subject lines of about half the new bugs, randomly
Kinnison: if you could poke a bit for us at the sprint about getting
04:11 mdz the report we need (bugs that no developer has looked at yet), that
would be a great help
04:11 Keybuk Kinnison: cross-referencing all bug reports against component
04:11 mdz Kinnison: I didn't get that onto the original list
04:12 sivang seb128: oh right, will do :)
04:12 Kamion Keybuk: it could be done more easily as an X-Launchpad-Bug thing when
mails go out, though, couldn't it?
04:12 Kinnison mdz: If you can produce a list of the queries we're interested in I
will sit with brad and help him work out how to do it
04:12 Kamion that's simple, "is this bug filed on a package in main or universe"
04:12 Keybuk Kamion: that assumes you have every ubuntu-bugs e-mail in your
mailbox ready to be filtered
04:12 Kamion I do. HAND. :-)
04:12 Keybuk Kamion: I was talking about getting a page of bug links for
mass-triage purposes
04:12 seb128 Keybuk: would be nice
Kinnison: in addition to "display only bugs in main" functionality
04:13 mdz (which is on the list already), we need a report which shows us bugs
we haven't touched yet
04:13 Kamion actually, we already have component=main in X-Launchpad-Bug
04:13 Keybuk Kamion: we do, yes
04:13 Kamion right, might start procmailing on that then
04:13 Keybuk if you have ubuntu-bugs, the headers are useful
04:13 mdz yes, I filter on that for ubuntu-bugs
=== Keybuk gave up with ubuntu-bugs, it was just too much traffic
04:13 mdz there are other useful bits in the headers as well
04:13 mdz we need to wrap up here
04:13 Kinnison mdz: seriously I have no context as to what this is "in addition to"
and I have only very patchy IRCness currently
04:13 pitti cool, /me will adjust his procmail settings for that
04:14 Keybuk mdz: release schedule
04:14 Kinnison mdz: mail it to me :-)
04:14 mdz revised release schedule is up here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule/Slewed
04:14 Kamion release delay is NOT AN EXCUSE for new features
04:14 mdz Kamion++
04:14 Kamion i.e. we're still in feature freeze
04:14 mdz Kinnison: please read the log; you should know what was said here
anyway
04:14 Kinnison okay, but it's gonna be tonight before I have time to trawl the log
04:15 mdz Kinnison: no problem
04:15 Kinnison okay
04:15 mdz thanks, everyone
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