DapperDev_2005-12-22
02:57 pitti moin
02:57 janimo hey pitti
02:58 slomo_ hi pitti
02:58 ogra moin
02:58 mvo hi
02:58 JaneW surprising few updates were sent to me....
=== mvo needs to preapre his notes
02:59 JaneW I hope this mean we have a full house today, not just that
everyone is AWOL :)
02:59 JaneW or even AWL
02:59 doko hi
=== ogra glres at the smallishness of this weeks notes he has
=== dholbach forgot to update too
03:00 pitti whatever ogra just did, /me does the same
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03:00 seb128 hi
03:00 pitti hey seg
03:00 pitti seb, too
03:00 seb128 hey martin :)
03:00 ogra pitti, flight2 ate 2 days of my week ... so most was CD
related stuff here ...
03:01 ogra that refkects in my report ...
03:01 ogra *reflects
03:01 JaneW ok 14:00UTC on my clock
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03:01 pitti ogra: I meant 'glres'
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03:01 pitti hi infinity
03:01 pitti hey daniels
=== pitti waves to Australia
03:01 Kamion hi all
03:01 daniels g'evening
03:01 ogra pitti, yes, i can glre very well :)
03:01 Riddell hi
03:01 JaneW where's BenC?
03:01 pitti ogra: shame on you
03:01 ogra heh
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03:02 JaneW hi ben
03:02 pitti JaneW: summoning powers?
03:02 BenC hello
03:02 Riddell are we doing "next weeks" today?
03:02 JaneW heh
03:02 JaneW who else is missing
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03:02 Kamion JaneW: did Diziet send an update? although he only worked one
day in the period
03:03 BenC make sure I'm not first this week, I need a minute to type
things up :)
=== ogra has "christmas" for next week ...
03:03 JaneW Riddell: yes planned activities for 2 weeks (if any) and then
in 2 weeks we'll do progress for 2 weeks back...
03:03 Kamion missing Keybuk, krstic, Lathiat
03:03 JaneW Kamion: no, I have updates from Daniels and Mithrandir only
03:03 Kamion ok, that's not a problem for this week I should think
03:04 daniels i can do mine
03:04 JaneW yes reminder that there is NO meeting next week - you can all
rest :)
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03:04 fabbione should we start?
03:04 JaneW yes
03:04 jbailey Sure. =)
03:04 JaneW daniels: go
03:05 daniels this week: x11r7 rc4 updates, x11r7 final (wooooooooooooooo!),
further fixification of xserver-xorg scripts
03:05 pappan yep
03:05 daniels friday: x11r7 final updates
03:05 Kamion I'm going to assume Keybuk's on leave, but no record of it
03:05 daniels x-roadmap: almost at x11r7; scripts looking in decent shape
now
03:05 daniels blocked: none
03:05 JaneW thanks
03:06 JaneW no huge issues with X?
03:06 pitti still the ati breakage
03:06 ogra and trident (i owe daniels a debug session here)
03:06 daniels JaneW: we're seeing some minor breakage on trident (who uses
it anyway), and modern ati chips on powerpc
03:06 mvo dri does not work on my r350
03:06 daniels JaneW: the solution for the latter should be relatively easy
to come by
03:07 mvo not too important though
03:07 ogra and for the first i havent yet tested the laes driver :)
03:07 mvo given that it never even remotely worked before :)
03:07 ogra *latest
03:07 JaneW ok great, dholbach you ready?
03:07 dholbach inclusion-of-docs: did another update, fixed a bug
03:07 dholbach this week: bug triage, bug day, motu mentoring, random bug
fixes, random packages updates, a11y team
03:07 dholbach next weeks: merges, gnome 2.13.4, bug triage, motu mentoring
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03:08 JaneW ok, doko
03:08 doko this week:
03:08 doko - openoffice.org: support work, fixing firefox-dev,
preparation and upload of 2.0.1 packages
03:08 doko - python-roadmap: delayed for next week
03:08 doko next week:
03:08 doko - openoffice.org: powerpc build
03:08 doko - python-roadmap: python-central update
03:08 doko status:
03:08 doko - toolchain-roadmap: amd64-biarch (still blocked)
03:08 doko - toolchain-dapper+1: blocked by preparation of wanna-build
and buildd infrastructure
- openoffice-gnome: not started, martink will work on
03:08 doko testsuite packaging and gnome integration testing (i.e. file
selector in January)
03:09 doko - openoffice-help: now approved, martink will work on it in
January
03:09 doko - openoffice-spellchecking: not started
03:09 doko - native-java-gcj: infrastructure is ready, packaging of -gcj
binary packages not started
03:09 doko java-roadmap: mostly done, pending are eclipse updates and the
native-java-gcj support
03:09 JaneW dholbach: sorry to regress is mjg59 going to come and
represent power-management-configuration?
03:09 JaneW doko: is the amd block serious?
03:09 pitti doko: does that mean OO.o builds against ffox-dev now?
03:10 ogra JaneW, it works fine as is currently
03:10 dholbach JaneW: i didn't ask him to appear at this meeting
03:10 ogra JaneW, power-management that is
03:10 JaneW dholbach: if he is handling to goal it would be nice to get
updates, even e-mail would be fine
=== ogra would call it implemented
03:10 dholbach JaneW: ok
03:10 doko JaneW: it's on it's way, jbailey did have other priorities
this week
03:10 JaneW kamion: sorry I kind of took over jump in and grab the reigns
if you like ;)
03:10 doko pitti: yes
=== pitti hugs doko
03:11 pitti THAAANK YOU
03:11 doko pitti: please test it ;-)
03:11 JaneW fabbione: next
03:11 Kamion no problem, I was just being seb's archive bitch for a moment
03:11 fabbione * server-candy: md5sum client is basically ready. Blocked on
admins (rt: #723). Other stuff will be started soon.
03:11 fabbione * ubuntu-cluster: no progress this week.
03:11 fabbione * probe-for-root-filesystem: no progress this week.
03:11 fabbione * boot-from-usb: blocked by probe-for-root-filesystem.
03:11 fabbione * merges: zlib - still pending libc6-i386-dev, one minor
pending but it's no hurry at all.
03:11 fabbione * last week: md5sum client and server-candy work,
kernel-security.
03:11 fabbione * next (working) week: kernel security, more on server-candy.
scheduled to change the default kernel install on -server.
03:12 JaneW fabbione: the kernel testing today - all ok?
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03:13 Kamion fabbione: we'll need to talk about the default kernel for
-server stuff, may not be entirely trivial
03:13 fabbione JaneW: yes, new kernels are in, but we have a regression on
the previous security update that's not fixed yet
03:13 fabbione Kamion: yes. hence next (working) week
03:13 JaneW hi mjg59, thanks for coming, if you have a
power-management-configuration update, that would be great...
03:13 fabbione JaneW: the situation is complex and not trivial to fix, but we
are working hard on it.
03:13 JaneW infinity: you ready?
03:13 fabbione JaneW: expect delay due to that
03:13 JaneW fabbione: ok, understood
03:14 infinity JaneW: Sure.
03:14 JaneW fabbione: let me know if it gets serious please
03:14 fabbione JaneW: yup
Last week: Much mucking with kernel stuff, preparation of
03:14 infinity security updates, and lots and lots of buildd fixes and
administration.
03:14 mjg59 JaneW: A brief one, yup
03:14 JaneW mjg59: yup that's what we are after :)
03:15 infinity Friday: Finish up and publish security updates, fix up and
upload *-docs updates to breezy, and VAC my heart out.
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03:15 JaneW iwj: is on leave right?
03:15 Kamion JaneW: yes
03:15 JaneW k
03:15 JaneW jbailey:
03:15 Kamion since Friday
* ToolchainRoadmap: Sorry about lag. Found another bug which
held it up, and then meetings, my X crashing (fixed now), and
03:15 jbailey general other work distracted me. I'm not off all of next
week, so it'll be sitting in the NEW queue when the archive
admins get back.
* ToolchainRoadmapNg: After the glibc biarch, will start to
03:15 jbailey evaluate glibc needs. Want to start collecting feedback on
dropping pre-i686 per outstanding issues
03:15 jbailey * General:
- I have klibc fixes for ia64, hppa, and for Tollef's
03:15 jbailey squishfs. It's chasing kernel headers bugs at the moment,
might be today or tomorrow and then initrd-tools can go away
forever.
03:16 jbailey - I really will finish punting most of my bugs this
week. Maybe right after this meeting so that it's done.
03:16 jbailey - Thanks to all in general for being really helpful when I
come to you for help with support requests.
jbailey: I can do low-level archive admin during elmo's
03:16 Kamion holiday, although I'll be entirely offline for at least a few
days between Christmas and New Year
03:17 JaneW kamion: you're up.
03:17 jbailey Kamion: Cool. It won't be time-urgnet, just nice to not have
it wait until January. Thanks.
03:17 Kamion otherwise, sounds good, thanks
misc: I only worked for two days this week, so not much done.
03:17 Kamion Had locales meeting with pitti/doko/Mithrandir/jbailey, which
went well.
cd-bootloader: Implemented expert mode toggle-switch for the
03:17 Kamion install CD; enabled CD timeout again for the install CD
following feedback on -devel; fiddled with video mode handling
following bug feedback.
ubuntu-express-bootloader: Rearranged grub-installer a bit to
allow espresso-grub to be written sanely; built a test version
which seems to more or less work. Poked a bit at the
03:17 Kamion Guadalinex code until I can at least run it and start doing
incremental improvement on it. Now working on the
user/password stage which has actual user interaction and
stuff.
03:17 Kamion blocked: nothing much, for a change
03:17 Kamion January I hope to really dig in and just plough through ue-*.
03:18 Kamion maybe hide in a cave for a week or something
03:18 doko Kamion: when is the next flight scheduled?
03:18 Kamion doko: not scheduled currently
03:18 JaneW end of Jan?
03:18 Kamion my guess is second week of Jan if possible
03:18 JaneW ok, wow
03:18 Kamion JaneW: that's pretty late
03:18 pitti around feature freeze would be nice
03:18 Kamion feature freeze is ages away
03:18 pitti for this flight we should do a full scale test
03:19 pitti oh, I though 19 Jan?
03:19 ogra around UVF rather ...
03:19 pitti ah, that was UVF
03:19 mvo uvf
03:19 pitti sorry
03:19 Kamion full scale testing is welcome at any time, if anything *not*
right next to a Flight CD release
03:19 Kamion feel free to take Flight CD 2 and do full-scale test runs on
it
03:19 daniels i'm going to be breaking X early Jan, probably
Kamion: : While I'm at the in-laws' place, I have lots of
03:19 infinity computers here I wouldn't normally test on, so I'll boot some
CDs here.
03:20 daniels when I dump the new xserver-xorg scriptage and
x{,server,org}-common -> x11-common merge
OK, Keybuk is apparently not around; Jane, can you check with
03:20 Kamion him by e-mail? I think he's been on leave but can't find a
notice of that in any of the usual places.
03:20 Kamion daniels: noted
=== JaneW neither was just looking, I will ping him...
03:21 Kamion Mithrandir?
03:21 JaneW Mithrandir:
03:21 JaneW - openoffice-amd64: no progress
- live-cd-performance: been experimenting with squashfs as
well as squashfs-lzma, which a) gives us either 5% extra space
or 18% extra space (that's 25 and 84MB on the CD. I haven't
03:21 JaneW tested booting with squashfs-lzma, but just squashfs cuts
nearly off the time from the live cd is booted until when I/O
is silenced. Squashfs requires unionfs, since it's a read-only
FS and therefore won't work on ppc dueto unionfs bugs.
03:21 JaneW - one-true-path: no progress
- simplified-livecd: usplash problem debugged,
03:21 JaneW language/keyboard selection still needs to change, but that is
blocked on the locales changes (pitti). Apart from that, seems
to work well.
03:21 JaneW - media-integrity-check: no progress, but the rest should be
trivial.
- network-authentication: no progress, one interested
03:21 JaneW community member who is going to give me some background
information on what changes are needed.
- livecd-squashfs: accidentially implemented in casper, needs
03:21 JaneW some changes in the build system and we need to decide on
squashfs or squashfs-lzma.
03:21 JaneW - blocked on: locales changes, decision on squashfs-lzma,
squashfs or continue with cloop.
03:21 JaneW - plans for next week: more vacation.
03:21 jbailey "accidentally implemented"?
03:21 JaneW yes that was a bit alarming...
03:21 JaneW not sure what it mean exactly
03:21 pitti JaneW: the locales block is done
03:22 Kamion I think it turned out to be substantially easier than he'd
thought
03:22 JaneW pitti: great, thanks
03:22 Kamion either that or he intended to make it non-default and
accidentally made it the default
03:22 Kamion either way, new casper is still definitely work-in-progress
03:22 infinity Nah, it's not the default, since the livefs isn't squash yet
on the buildds. :)
03:22 infinity But it's a simple switch we can flick to make it go, once the
kinks are worked out.
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03:22 infinity Which is cool.
03:23 Kamion good, good
03:23 Kamion all the code checked in there?
03:23 infinity Not as yet, since he's still evaluating the best settings to
build it, etc.
03:23 Kamion ok
03:23 Kamion mvo?
03:23 mvo Did:
03:23 mvo - dbus 0.60 transition (package + dependencies)
[DapperDesktopPlan]
03:23 mvo - prepared new libnotify/notify-daemon, tested
03:23 mvo send bugs upstream [DapperDesktopPlan]
- gnome-app-install work, implemented filter on
03:23 mvo unsupported/proprietary, fixed bugs, worked around problem
with pymozembed, rewrote the desktop/icon extraction code
[ThirdPartyPackages]
03:23 mvo - backported unattended-upgrades (and python-apt) to breezy to
get testing feedback from real users
03:23 mvo [AutomaticUpdates]
03:23 mvo Will do:
03:23 mvo - christmas
03:23 mvo - do the libnotify/notify-daemon transition (api/abi change)
03:23 mvo - more work on ThirdPartyPackages spec
03:24 Kamion good work on the dbus transition work, that seems to have been
very quick and fairly smooth
03:24 daniels yes, thanks for that
03:24 mvo thanks :) yes, nothing major broken, only some hal problems
03:24 jbailey And ephy. ;)
03:24 ogra even you didnt announce it to u-d-a for lwn fame :)
=== jbailey hides.
03:25 mvo jbailey: ephy is a mozilla problem :)
03:25 dholbach jbailey: should be fixed now
=== mvo really should have send that mail to get fame and glorry
03:25 ogra yeah
03:25 ogra yu deserve it :)
03:25 azeem 2
03:25 dholbach mvo: we love you nevertheless :)
03:25 azeem argh
03:26 ogra my turn ?
03:26 Kamion ogra?
03:26 ogra * thin-client-sound: waiting for mdz to approve on return
03:26 ogra * thin-client-local-devices: no progress, meeting with
sbalneav still pending
03:26 ogra * thin-client-memory-usage: some more script changes locally
done and tested
03:26 ogra * thin-client-faster-startup: spec awaiting approval,
03:26 ogra * gnome-screensaver-default-image: no progress yet, waiting
for sabdfl images :)
* general: most time spent for flight2 testing, worked on ltsp
fixes and tests (partially related to the specs),
03:26 ogra edubuntu-artwork for breezy bugfix (done locally, waiting for
infinity feedback on the general change), dhcpd upgrade issue
discussed solution pending.
03:26 ogra * next week: mainly christmas, will do some further ltsp stuff
(mem usage and faster startup related) alongside...
03:27 seb128 jbailey: I fixed epiphany
03:27 ogra somehow i find many testers for edubuntu flight CDs, but
nobody seems willing to test *before* a flight is released :/
03:27 Kamion Do try to get some relaxation in over Christmas, everyone. :)
=== jbailey hugs seb128
03:27 Kamion ogra: a problem I'm well familiar with :-/
03:27 Kamion pitti?
=== seb128 hugs jbailey
this week: locales restructuring, caught up with the insane
03:27 pitti bug mail backlog, libsysfs transition, various bug fixes, xine
and kernel security updates, sickness
still today/tomorrow morning: poke infinity some more to
03:27 pitti really get PHP security update done before Christmas, fix
grave bugs in cups' conffile handling
no progress on specs this week; PLAN for first week of
03:27 pitti January: continue with gstreamer-audio-backend now that we
have gst 0.10
03:27 JaneW pitti: you getting better yet?
03:28 pitti JaneW: yes, full speed again today :)
03:28 JaneW cool
03:28 Riddell pitti: dare I ask about main inclusion reviews?
03:28 pitti I had no time for those yet
03:28 pitti avahi is crying, I know
03:28 ogra pitti, so approve gobby, i'll upload 0.3.0 today ;)
03:28 pitti but it'll take me half a day to properly review it
03:28 Riddell fair enough
=== pitti does not feel well about gobby
03:29 pitti anyway, if you really need avahi soon, I only do a short
review and do a source code review later
03:29 ogra its a edubuntu target for dapper, whats wrong with it ?
03:29 pitti what about it?
03:29 pitti ogra: it has ugly bugs, and never saw an audit before
03:29 pitti young network code, and such
03:29 dholbach we will surely test gobby at the sprint ;)
03:29 pitti security is probably a non-issue
03:29 ogra most of the bugs should e fixed for 0.3.0 ...
03:29 infinity gobby is pretty vile, as far as visible bugs, that doesn't
bode well for the unseen bugs.
I'd love to have a conversation about gobby outside of this
03:29 jbailey meeting and possible look at writing a tool that actually
meets our needs instead of almost meeting them but not quite.
03:29 pitti but my experiences with gobby were pretty badf
03:30 jbailey Anyone interested for right after?
03:30 Riddell KDE's mateedit has an undo function :)
03:30 pitti jbailey: vim-obby :)
03:30 ogra pitti, i cant give that to my teachers :)
03:30 pitti heh, sure
03:30 ogra but apart from that ++
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03:31 pitti ok, so what about avahi?
03:31 pitti split review and fast-pace, or does it have time until the
full review?
03:31 mvo jbailey: I'm in
03:31 ogra jbailey, why reinvent the wheel, lets rather fix gobby if you
find bugs
03:31 Riddell pitti: how can you split the review?
03:31 pitti Riddell: research security history and QA/bugs first, do
source code audit later
=== fabbione notices that we are way off-topic
03:32 seb128 pitti: having avahi soon would be nice
03:32 pitti it's planning how to remove blocks for other people
03:32 Riddell pitti: the sooner it's in main the sooner I can guide the KDE
developers into the stuff needed for dapper (like easy on/off)
03:32 ogra yes, Riddell is up, isnt he ?
03:32 pitti ok
03:32 seb128 pitti: that would allow to have some user comments on the apps
using it
03:32 pitti good, I'll do it today
03:32 Kamion Riddell: go ahead
this week: simpleify-kde getting defaults all sorted,
kubuntu-system tools fixing bugs, kubuntu-package-manager
03:32 Riddell discussing ideas and testing/releasing new version of adept,
playing with building kubuntu CDs not very successfully,
kubuntu-docs packaging
03:33 Riddell next weeks: further bug fixing, try to get KDE working with
current dapper (CUPS, xkb, gstreamer0.10)
03:33 seb128 eh
03:33 Kamion Riddell: what's up with Kubuntu CD building?
03:33 Riddell Kamion: I'm not sure, I run it and it seems to do fine but
nothing comes out at the end
03:33 Kamion Riddell: you mean locally, or on little?
03:34 Riddell Kamion: on little
03:34 Kamion Riddell: look in cdimage/log/kubuntu-*
03:34 Kamion it won't log much to stdout because my scripts are JUST THAT
GOOD *ahem*
03:34 Kamion s/much/anything/
03:35 Riddell I had DEBUG on
03:35 ogra so you have a lot of debugging stuff in cdimage/log/kubuntu-*
;)
03:35 Kamion oh, they'll be in cdimage/scratch/kubuntu/debian-cd/ in that
case
03:35 ogra or this :)
03:35 Kamion or somewhere under scratch, anyway
03:35 Riddell Kamion: so they don't go to the same place if DEBUG is on?
03:36 Kamion no, DEBUG turns off publishing to the www tree
03:36 Riddell aah, problem solved :)
03:36 Kamion seb128: ok, next
03:36 seb128 dapper-desktop-plan: new version of the session dialog patch,
will be uploaded this week
video-playback:
03:36 seb128 gst-plugins-base0.10/gst-plugins-good0.10/gst-plugins-ugly0.10
uploaded, I've played with rhythmbox/totem gst0.10 and will
upload them tomorrow
03:36 seb128 misc: dbus transition, some catchup of the bugs backlog
03:36 seb128 .
03:36 seb128 next: catching with bugzilla, GNOME 2.13.4,
dapper-desktop-plan
03:37 Kamion sounds good. has the menus-revisited stuff pretty much settled
down now, or still more feedback to deal with?
03:38 seb128 not sure about the xsane menu item, the rest should be settled
03:38 ogra apart from "Ubuntu is under attack.." you mean ?
03:39 Kamion I tend not to read threads that enormous
03:39 ogra its not worth it ... i read about 60% of it ...
03:39 seb128 don't read the troll
03:39 Kamion seb128: ok, thanks
03:39 Kamion sivang: around?
03:40 JaneW I'll mail him
03:40 Kamion and that's everyone
03:40 JaneW mjg59: ready?
03:40 JaneW and BenC still needs to go...
03:40 Kamion ah, not quite everyone then
03:40 BenC * Work this week: Lots more kernel bugs
03:40 BenC * testing-server-hardware: not started
* preventing-hardware-support-regressions: BLOCKED: Auto build
03:40 BenC infrastructure fairly complete (still working out some special
cases), but still no dependable place to build.
03:40 BenC * ubuntu-server-kernel: Amd64 and i386 Done. PPC64 will be
next kernel upload, and then this is complete.
03:40 BenC * Work for next two weeks: testing-server-hardware, continue
bug triage for dapper.
03:41 BenC did I go too soon?
03:41 Kamion BenC: no, that's fine, thanks
=== BenC was quick on the draw
03:41 JaneW heh
03:41 Kamion BenC: some seeding bits for server kernels still need to be
sorted out; I'll have a look
03:41 Kamion insane amounts of anastacia noise right now
03:41 BenC ok
03:41 mjg59 JaneW: Yup
03:42 BenC I'm not sure what is involved in making the kernel CD, so just
let me know what you need from me
03:42 BenC s/kernel/server/
03:42 JaneW mjg59: shoot
Power-management-config: KDE has an existing solution, though
03:43 mjg59 it's less than ideal. gnome-power-manager is entirely usable,
though it requires an extra dbus security policy that I've
been discussing with upstream
I'm not even sure *I'm* sure, it's a complicated hack done at
03:43 Kamion the last minute for breezy; hoping to sort it out more for
dapper
03:43 JaneW mjg59: think you are on track to make dapper?
03:43 mjg59 Once that's in place, shifting g-p-m to desktop sorts us
03:43 ogra mjg59, g-p-m is really cool now :)
03:44 mjg59 JaneW: Yes, the code that needs writing is very limited
03:44 JaneW mjg59: great, sounds good
03:44 mjg59 Ideally KDE would change to use HAL as a backend rather than
klaptopdaemon, but I'm less sure how practical that is
03:44 JaneW ok anything else?
03:45 ogra seb128, mjg59, what do we do with battstat-applet ?
03:45 santa_claus happy christmas to everybody!
03:45 ogra will it stay around ?
03:45 fabbione ahah
03:45 Kamion I have one quick piece of other business
03:45 JaneW hohoho
03:45 ogra lol
03:45 seb128 merry christmas!
03:45 fabbione have fun guys
03:45 mvo are we open for other topics now?
03:45 ogra merry christmas :)
03:45 Kamion SteveA would like to do the Bugzilla-to-Malone switch soon,
and has been talking about this week
mjg59: I'll discuss it with people, I'm sure KDE would like to
03:45 Riddell see that happen too but klaptopdaemon is hardly maintained so
I doubt anyone will have time for it
03:45 seb128 and happy new year :)
03:45 Kamion (though may be a bit late for that now, don't know the exact
schedule)
03:46 daniels i assume all currently open bugs would be imported?
03:46 Kamion Yes, all open and closed bugs
03:46 daniels bonus
03:46 fabbione Kamion: i think SteveA has just been bitten by elmo's vac
03:46 daniels fabbione: well, obviously Karl doesn't get Christmas then
03:46 pitti what about the bug numbers? or redirections from bz?
03:46 Kamion I understand that most of the initial bug contact stuff is
sorted
03:46 Kamion pitti: that I don't know, but I'm hoping they'll turn into
cunning Malone watches or something
03:47 mjg59 Riddell: Ok. Can we discuss this elsewhere? I can run over
what's needed.
the reason I'm bringing this up here is to encourage people to
03:47 Kamion get their concerns to SteveA and the Malone team sooner rather
than later
https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/BugzillaImportProcess
03:47 Kamion documents the process they intend to follow in doing the
conversion
03:47 Kamion feedback to SteveA on that process is welcome
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probably not a good time to raise this, but I was wondering if
03:48 mvo irc is the right medium for the development status updates.
this pasting of text feels like we could also do it (more
conveniently) by mail (to my at least)
03:48 Kamion doing this during distro team downtime is probably a good
thing, but if it has to be the new year, so be it
mvo: despite the fact that it's 0148 and I'm falling asleep
03:49 daniels over here, I think it's a good idea. being able to feed back
to people is useful.
03:49 Kamion mvo: my personal feeling is that IRC's quite good at letting
people have quick question/answer sessions relatively cheaply
mvo: I am happy to receive e-mails, but I am sure I would need
03:49 JaneW to nag for them, and there would be no oppportunity for
discussion
03:49 jbailey mvo: I feel more connected that I did to the team before, and
I like being able to interact with folks live.
03:49 fabbione mvo: live > *
03:49 Kamion a lot of them are the sorts of things that people wouldn't
bother to ask by e-mail
03:49 jbailey mvo: I find the wash of email a bit tedious as it is.
03:49 JaneW I agree
03:50 mvo ok, that's a pretty clear picture :)
and it does ensure that everyone actually reads most of what
03:50 Kamion other people are doing, which I think shouldn't be
underestimated
03:50 Kamion we have the activity reports, which I know I read, but I'm
sure not everyone does
03:50 Kamion and they're rather ... verbose
03:51 Kamion Any other business?
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03:51 fabbione nope
I'd pretty much like to echo what Mark said in his mail to
03:52 Kamion allhands@canonical; great work in 2005, we get to feel proud
that people love us, lots to do in 2006, and GET SOME REST
OVER CHRISTMAS. :-)
03:52 JaneW heh
03:52 fabbione hsh
03:53 ogra Kamion, how should we, many of us will get new gadgets and
hardware over christmas :)
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03:53 JaneW have a fabulous week next week, and enjoy the snow up north,
we have a 30deg Christmas forecast here...
03:53 ogra hehe
03:53 ogra bah
03:53 Kamion ogra: that might count as rest depending on your mindset. :-)
03:53 fabbione JaneW: have fun
03:53 fabbione cya guys
03:53 ogra Kamion, *giggle*
03:53 fabbione thanks
03:54 pitti thanks to everybody
i think getting rest now, before I pass out on the couch and
03:54 daniels end up with a stuffed back, is more important than over
christmas.
03:54 pitti enjoy the holidays
03:54 Kamion right, thanks all, enjoy your holidays and see you in 2006!
03:54 mvo have fun everyone :)
=== pitti hugs everyone
03:54 pitti seb128: give us a hug :)
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=== ogra hugs all as well
03:54 sivang Kamion: now I am
=== dholbach hugs everyone back :)
03:55 Kamion sivang: ok, go ahead quickly
03:55 sivang Kamion: started working on implementation. now coding some
utility classes that are needed by HUB. that's all :)
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03:56 Kamion short and sweet :)
=== mvo has SUPERHUG powers
=== sivang hugs all as well
03:56 sivang marry Xmas
03:57 ogra another hugday ?
03:57 sivang btw, are all canonical people going to be on vacation until 1
Jan ?
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03:57 pitti sivang: pretty much, yes
03:58 mvo not all, I need to work 2days
sivang: Canonical will officially not be operating between 25
03:58 Kamion Dec and 1 Jan; we're all obliged to reserve enough holiday
time to cover that period
03:58 Kamion I think a couple of people have negotiated special exceptions
to that
03:59 BenC happy holidays everyone
03:59 dholbach yeah, to you all too
03:59 ogra enjoy :)
04:00 sivang Kamion: ah ok, just want to make sure someone stays with me
here when I'm all Xmas'less in .il :-)
04:00 Kamion Hanukkah's about the same time as Christmas this year, isn't
it?
04:00 sivang Kamion: you don't get vacation for it :-(
04:00 sivang only kids do, in schools
04:00 sivang kgardens etc..
04:01 JaneW UPDATE THE LP SPECS PLEASE!
=== pitti already did
04:01 Kamion sivang: ah
04:01 sivang anywya, gotta go, Marry Xmas all again! may all your wishes
for the new year come true.
=== seb128 hugs pitti
04:02 pitti seb128: thanks :)
04:03 seb128 np ;)
04:03 JaneW pitti: you rock :)
04:03 pitti santa_claus will give you new kernels now, with shiny wrapping
04:03 pappan sivang: ty same to you
04:03 pitti thanks to our fabulous FabioMeetingLogs/DapperDev_2005-12-22 (last edited 2008-08-06 16:21:01 by localhost)