2007-08-08
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Meeting August 8, 2007
This is the Edubuntu Team Meeting, started on 08 August 2007, 02H00 - 03H00.
Attendance
- orca
- highvoltage
- pips1
- Riddell
- cliebow_
Agenda
- Technical
- Progress over past week
- Issues/ Blocks
- Planned Activities for coming week
- Documentation
- Progress over past week
- Issues/ Blocks
- Planned Activities for coming week
- Art Work
- Progress over past week
- Issues/ Blocks
- Planned Activities for coming week
- Web Sites
- Progress over past week
- Issues/ Blocks
- Planned Activities for coming week
- Community
- Progress over past week
- Issues/ Blocks
- Planned Activities for coming week
Management & Planning
- Progress over past week
- Issues/ Blocks
- Planned Activities for coming week
- Any other Matters Arising
Minutes
- Artwork: Nothing to report. Will wait until next week.
- Documentation: Nothing to report.
Website / Community Items: Bill Hilf (head of Open Source at MSFT) has mailed me after meeting (bumping into) Mark Shuttleworth at OSCON in Portland. Action: RichEd will phone Bill Hilf and discuss collaboration.
Any Other Business
RichEd noted that at the previous Edubuntu meeting it was discussed and agreed to separate the original 2 hour meeting as per the mail lists into edubuntu-devel and edubuntu-users. Action: RichEd needs to get a wiki page up for discussion.
IRC Logs
02:04 RichEd and ogra kicks off with TECH 02:04 ogra yeah 02:04 ogra i'll try to keep it as shoprt as possible 02:04 ogra mostly we had ltsp code merges last week ... 02:04 ogra new ldm is in since 5.0.22 02:05 ogra i'm preparing tribe4 since monday .... 02:05 ogra sadly there is a bug (apparently in apt) that prevents ltsp clients from building on the server CD 02:06 ogra beyond that the liveCD is heavily oversized ... sadly digging for the server CD breakage didnt leave me time to investigate that yet 02:06 ogra so i'm not sure we'll make tribe4 at all 02:06 ogra thats it ... 02:06 RichEd ogra: what are the consequencesof missing tribe 4 ? 02:06 ogra less testing 02:07 ogra less feedback 02:07 ogra i'll try to make it happen, but currently its not clear what the exact bug is 02:07 highvoltage so if the tribe 4 deadline is missed, there won't be a tribe 4 for edubuntu? 02:07 ogra without knowing we cant fix ... 02:07 RichEd and will you be able to get it right for tribe 5 ? 02:07 ogra sure 02:07 RichEd okay ... good :) 02:07 ogra but i wouldnt like o go without tribe4 02:08 ogra deadline is tomorrow ... 02:08 pips1 what's the status with the moodle packaging ? 02:08 ogra so there is still hope :) 02:08 ogra pips1, moquist knows about freeze dates and works on it 02:08 pips1 ic 02:08 ogra http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6347 02:09 ogra hrm 02:09 ogra revu seems down 02:09 Riddell it is 02:09 ogra on a side note i discovered this horrible doc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/TroubleShooting 02:09 highvoltage ogra: I think it's down along with the other community sites (like the loco teams) 02:10 ogra which shocked me quite a bit ... 02:10 ogra especially: 02:10 ogra We've found some bugs in a number of components in the Ubuntu LTSP kit, hopefully some of the developers will take a look at this page at some point and possibly integrate some of our fixes back into the mix. Until then however, below we detail how we got around some of the more interesting issues. 02:11 ogra most of these "helpful" things are just using the defaults we use anyway ... 02:11 ogra others like the sound hack are just utterly wrong 02:11 highvoltage how did that get into help.ubuntu.com? and who wrote it? 02:11 ogra it has a history 02:12 ogra what worries me most about it is that it exists since 2006 02:12 ogra created under the assumption "some developer will see it" 02:12 cliebow_ hmmm 02:13 highvoltage heh, so they basically filed 'bugs' on help.ubuntu.com. how bizzarre. 02:13 ogra which i didnt until someone asked me about it in support this week 02:13 ogra a) they filed bugs in the wiki 02:13 ogra b) they gave wronmg solutions 02:13 ogra (which is not remarkable since no dev ever saw that page :P) 02:15 ogra i'm not sure what top do with that page now ... i dont want to wipe others work ... in bug reports i would have responded to tehm properly ... 02:15 cliebow_ perhaps a disclaimer?? 02:15 ogra yeah 02:16 highvoltage ogra: well, it's clearly not of much use, shouldn't it just be deleted with a reference to the correct documentation? 02:16 ogra hmm, probably 02:17 ogra but i'd also like to prevent such stuff from happening somehow 02:18 highvoltage I thought there was some kind of process for moving pages to help.ubuntu.com from the wiki 02:18 ogra we need to make launchpad more prominent in the community somehow 02:19 highvoltage ogra: for support? 02:19 highvoltage oh, and for bugs, of course 02:19 ogra yeah 02:19 ogra bugs mostly === RichEd thinks that a clear way of moving / guiding and advising what can be found where will be useful 02:20 ogra all ltsp devs are autosubscribed to the ltsp bugs now ... so proper bugfiling gains better answers indeed 02:20 RichEd (which sites) it is a bit confusing for some people 02:20 cliebow_ be nice to make an obvious index 02:21 ogra https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+filebug is the general ltsp bug url ... 02:22 pips1 yes, and the wikis are open... for wikipedia, I think there is always at least one person who "claims" a topic, but in technical documentation, people don't feel attached / "own" an article. at best, the write it down and forget it... :-/ 02:22 ogra well, i'm subscribed to UbuntuLTSP on help.ubunru.com 02:23 ogra but that page wasnt added to the index ever 02:23 pips1 wiki = low barrier for entry, but no real quality control either.. 02:23 ogra (index being https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP in that case) 02:24 pips1 i.e. you can't guarantee that someone applies the proper tag (UbuntuLTSP) 02:24 ogra pips1, well, h.u.c is just a wiki as well 02:25 pips1 doesn't h.u.c have locked pages... erm, no, different altogehter... i thought it was static html pages created from versioned docbook files? 02:25 ogra might be, but apparently every ubuntu member can edit it ... 02:26 ogra it == content 02:26 pips1 ah 02:26 ogra for me it doesnt behave differently than the wiki while using it 02:27 highvoltage that's interesting, I thought only docteam members could. I just logged in to doc.ubuntu.com for the first time and noticed I can edit. that's quite cool. 02:27 pips1 right, you are talking about the 'community' part of help.ubuntu.com... 02:27 pips1 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ 02:27 ogra rigth 02:27 pips1 oh, they must have changed that? 02:28 pips1 I didn't know that any person can edit h.u.c/community ... I only thought that only doc.u.c is editable by anyone 02:29 ogra i wonder what makes it different to wiki.u.c then ... 02:29 ogra its the same but different url ... so we have two places for docs 02:30 pips1 doc.u.c is supposed to be the drafting place for documentation and help.u.c the "approved" documentation...?! 02:30 ogra well 02:30 ogra h.u.c/comminty == second wiki.u.c 02:31 ogra *community 02:31 ogra thats just scattering info over various places ... 02:31 ogra anyway, lets not hold up the meeting with that now 02:32 ogra tech done (in case nobody has questions) 02:32 RichEd artwork ... any progress with our new volunteer ? 02:32 ogra she seems not here 02:33 RichEd she's based in the US ... so I think the other meeting time is better for her 02:33 RichEd we'll check next week ... 02:34 RichEd documentation ? 02:35 RichEd anyone ? 02:36 highvoltage nothing I can think of 02:36 RichEd okay ... pips1 any web site / community items for today ? 02:37 RichEd from my side, on a bizarre community related note ... Bill Hilf (head of Open Source at MSFT) has mailed me after meeting (bumping into) Mark Shuttleworth at OSCON in Portland. 02:38 pips1 RichEd nothing except for the update i told you about already 02:38 RichEd he wants a call & a chat to see how we can collaborate ... === RichEd will chat to him, but will be very wary ... and cautious 02:38 cliebow_ MSFT:that what i think it might be? 02:39 pips1 what is the FT part? 02:39 RichEd indeed mr cliebow_ 02:39 cliebow_ 8~) 02:39 RichEd that's the stock exchange abbreviation ... 02:39 pips1 oh ic 02:39 RichEd so I use it as better than quoting the full name ... and not as emotiona as all the M$ approach 02:40 RichEd *emotional 02:40 RichEd --- 02:40 RichEd On a final note from my side: 02:40 RichEd to fill the others in on the discussion last week: 02:40 RichEd We're more or less agreed to separate the original 2 hour meeting as per the mail lists: 02:40 RichEd into edubuntu-devel and edubuntu-users ... 02:40 RichEd LaserJock has been making good suggestions ... 02:41 RichEd we're still haggling about 02:41 RichEd * how long each meeting needs to be 02:41 RichEd * the exact agenda points 02:41 highvoltage RichEd: I've been wondering, have you ever considered an education meeting too? 02:41 RichEd highvoltage: the users will be education 02:41 highvoltage ok 02:41 RichEd it will have "using Edubuntu" topics 02:41 RichEd as well as "teaching / content" etc === RichEd needs to get a wiki page up for discussion ... but I missed that for this week 02:42 RichEd will try to get it up over the weekend 02:42 RichEd (for the new agenda ... with items to prompt discussion) 02:42 RichEd we'll try out the new structure next week ... i'll separate the meetings on the fridge schedule along with new agenda page 02:42 RichEd we'll also announce each meeting each week, and call for discussion topics 02:42 RichEd especially the user meeting 02:42 RichEd LaserJock suggests we have a weekly problems and suggestions slot in the user-meeting to get feedback and direction 02:42 RichEd and get the user community to feel that we care about their issues, and listen 02:43 RichEd and also encourage schools / teachers to create shared projects ... 02:43 RichEd and help with our communit needs 02:43 RichEd *community 02:43 RichEd ^ comments 02:43 RichEd ^ suggestions ? 02:44 cliebow_ moodle support is a big step that way 02:44 RichEd I'm happy to put this into a mail and send to the two mailing lists 02:44 RichEd --- 02:44 RichEd that's all from me for today 02:45 RichEd anyone else with topics ? or agenda items ? 02:45 RichEd if not we can wrap and allow ogra to get back to his tribe issue 02:45 highvoltage nope, except that if anyone needs me for anything, please send me a message, and I'll try to help. 02:45 ogra help testing ! (in case i ever get the iso working proper) 02:45 pips1 RichEd: nothing for the meeting, note, I'll send you that email about the update in a sec 02:45 highvoltage ogra: righto 02:46 highvoltage ogra: if an iso works, please ping me, I have good bandwidth now and can sync quite easily 02:46 RichEd ogra: I'm busy setting up that test notebook next to me now ... so I can help 02:46 ogra cool ! === RichEd is having screen issues :( 02:46 RichEd old mecer 02:47 ogra i'll send a ping to #edubuntu if i have something working 02:47 RichEd --- going once then 02:47 RichEd --- going twice then 02:47 highvoltage *BONG* 02:47 RichEd thrice ... 02:47 RichEd thanks all 02:47 ogra RichEd, i bet gutsy would solve the screen issues ... new intel drivers all over there
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