1 11:07 < newz2000> cjohnston: are you leading the meeting?
2 11:07 < cjohnston> I can
3 11:07 < cjohnston> hehe
4 11:07 < newz2000> :-) Be my guest
5 11:08 < cjohnston> dpm: basically the idea behind this project is not to translate the ubuntu.com website, but provide the user with links to provide them with more assistance in their prefered language based upon their browser defined preferred language
6 11:09 < dpm> ok, I'm here now, I apologise for the delay
7 11:09 < cjohnston> no problem dpm :-)
8 11:10 < cjohnston> we are going to need help from both web developers, loco teams and translators in order to make this project a success
9 11:10 < dpm> cjohnston, yes, that goes inline with a conversation I had with newz2000 some time ago. My preference would be to have all the website translated, but I understand the technical difficulties behind it
10 11:10 -!- alejandraobregon
11 11:10 < newz2000> dpm: cjohnston will be leading this project
12 11:10 < newz2000> I'll be facilitating it of course
13 11:11 < dpm> cjohnston, you can expect all help you need form me, needles to say, I'm passionate about translations :)
14 11:11 < cjohnston> never would have guessed :-P
15 11:11 < dpm> :-)
16 11:11 < dpm> cjohnston, can you post the link to the spec as a reminder again, please?
17 11:12 < cjohnston> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebsiteLocalization/Roadmap
18 11:12 < dpm> great, thanks
19 11:13 < cjohnston> I of course am not a programmer, nor do i know any other languages... so I will definatly be in need of assistance
20 11:13 < newz2000> So what do you feel the next step is?
21 11:13 < cjohnston> Right now I feel like the next step is to start getting a team together...
22 11:13 < cjohnston> That include all of the aspects needed...
23 11:14 < dpm> right, sounds good to me
24 11:14 < cjohnston> My thinking, but I don't know is that we will need some sort of database that has information for each language, and then have the code interact with that to pull the information
25 11:15 < cjohnston> but we will need people who can speak the other languages to help provide the information for the database... as well as someone to create the database..
26 11:15 < cjohnston> if a database isnt the best option though, i dont really know... so that will be something that i will be looking for help from my team with
27 11:16 < newz2000> There are a few different options, we can hammer that out when we have our technical meeting
28 11:16 < dpm> cjohnston, what's your vision, though? What do you expect a let's say, Spanish user to first see when he/she gets to ubuntu.com?
29 11:16 < newz2000> you picked the hardest one. :-)
30 11:17 < dpm> :) just to have a rough idea
31 11:17 < cjohnston> dpm: The vision was kind-of given to me... heh..
32 11:17 < newz2000> Lets use Turkish as an example
33 11:17 < dpm> right
34 11:18 < cjohnston> They will see the ubuntu.com website as it sits now... but it will have a "box" area which will provide some basic information on finding help in their language.. possibly under the search bar I believe is that newz2000 had mentioned
35 11:19 < newz2000> It will be very small and link to a page w/ more information that is entirely in Turkish
36 11:19 < dpm> ok, that's fine, I just wanted to have a general idea
37 11:19 < cjohnston> newz2000: are you thinking like one or two lines of text?
38 11:19 < newz2000> like 2-5 words
39 11:19 < cjohnston> ok.. gotcha
40 11:20 < newz2000> The reason Spanish is tricky, and where dpm can help the most
41 11:20 < newz2000> is cases where there are multiple parallel resources
42 11:20 < cjohnston> right
43 11:20 < dpm> I see we're you are going
44 11:20 < newz2000> for example, suppose a peruvian spanish speaker comes to the site
45 11:20 < newz2000> and there are some great es resources but only limited es-pr resources
46 11:20 < newz2000> it makes sense to show them the best resources
47 11:21 < newz2000> not just the es-pr options
48 11:21 < dpm> there are are umbrella teams for bigger areas, such as a general Spanish resource (and I think also for Brazil). We could reach out to them and make sure they've got a resource which links to each specific area or region
49 11:22 < dpm> I'll have to look into that
50 11:23 < newz2000> dpm: are loco team members also translators or are they often two different groups?
51 11:24 < dpm> newz2000, it varies from team to team. Sometimes they are LoCo members, but even if they are, the translations teams operate truly as subteams
52 11:24 < dpm> but actually
53 11:24 < dpm> Thinking of the most active translation teams
54 11:25 < dpm> at least their coordinators play a significant role in their respective LoCo teams
55 11:25 < newz2000> ok, that may make communication a little easier
56 11:25 < newz2000> cjohnston: I think that it may work best for the wiki to be the landing place for these translated pages
57 11:25 < dpm> and a translation team can obviously contain members from different, remote countries
58 11:26 < cjohnston> newz2000: thats what i was just thinking.. have the 4-5 word box point to a wiki page in their language which would provide more resources in their language?
59 11:26 < newz2000> yes
60 11:26 < newz2000> we'll need to create a template that the teams will translate
61 11:26 < cjohnston> ya
62 11:27 < dpm> that I can help with, setting up a template for translation wouldn't be too hard
63 11:27 < newz2000> but by doing it in the wiki, we have easy editiability and we don't have enforced structure so that teams like ES can deviate in order to communicte their special circumstances
64 11:27 < cjohnston> correct
65 11:28 < newz2000> cjohnston: ok so what do we do next?
66 11:28 < dpm> before further discussing, there's another important point: we're rapidly approaching Lucid, and if community members are working on this, I'm conscious not to put too much work on anyone shortly before release. Were you guys thinking on a particular timeframe?
67 11:29 < newz2000> post-release
68 11:29 < newz2000> by at least two weeks
69 11:29 < newz2000> or early April at the latest
70 11:29 < pak33m> hey all, cjohnston is having technical duifficulties and will return.
71 11:30 < pak33m> no really hes right next to me and having trouble with his screen freezing.
72 11:30 < dpm> pak33m, tell him not to worry :)
73 11:30 < newz2000> :-) thanks pak33m
74 11:31 < pak33m> ok... im over here for a minute
75 11:31 < newz2000> pak33m: what do you think about those dates I mentioned?
76 11:32 < pak33m> i obviously dont want to take anything away from lucid... but it would be nice to get it done as soon aspossible
77 11:32 < pak33m> uggh... netbook typing
78 11:32 < pak33m> those dates sound good to me
79 11:32 < newz2000> do you want to aim for pre-lucid?
80 11:33 < dpm> newz2000, I'm not sure pre-lucid would be too realistic, as I still don't quite understand all the work involved
81 11:33 < pak33m> newz2000: im not sure if prelucid is dooable
82 11:33 < dpm> I think we should start with a spec
83 11:33 < newz2000> ok
84 11:33 < newz2000> I'm very happy to aim for post lucid myself
85 11:33 < pak33m> im in the same boat as dpm as far as the work involved
86 11:33 < newz2000> if we were aiming for pre-lucid we'd have to jump through some sizable hurdles asap
87 11:34 < pak33m> i would like to aim mid/late may if thats fine with you
88 11:34 < newz2000> That sounds like a good plain in my book
89 11:34 -!- alejandraobregon
90 11:35 < newz2000> dpm: have you heard if plans for lucid+1's location/date for UDS is set?
91 11:35 < pak33m> my thoughts are that we need to start putting together a team that has members from all different aspects of our needs
92 11:35 < pak33m> things we need to do:
93 11:35 < pak33m> design a mock-up for approval
94 11:35 < pak33m> create the wiki page template
95 11:36 < pak33m> have the template translated and have approved resources placed into the wiki pages for each language
96 11:36 < dpm> I'm not sure there is a public date yet
97 11:37 < pak33m> design the code that will pull the browser setting from the browser and cross reference it against the information we have gathered to tthen output the information to the ubuntu.com wbesite
98 11:37 < pak33m> newz2000: are you wanting this to only be on ubuntu.com or ubuntu.com/* for people who dont go straight to ubuntu.com
99 11:38 < newz2000> ubuntu.com/* definitely
100 11:38 < pak33m> ok.. cool
101 11:38 < newz2000> *.ubuntu.com maybe
102 11:38 < pak33m> newz2000: ok
103 11:39 < pak33m> this is nice.. i have someone trying to figure out the problem with my laptop while i use his netbook
104 11:39 < newz2000> :-)
105 11:39 < newz2000> There is typically a UDS about 2-4 weeks after a release
106 11:40 < pak33m> newz2000: any comments on the plan above.. or dpm
107 11:40 < newz2000> so I wonder if we can target a date that helps us to benefit from the excitement/energy around a UDS
108 11:40 < dpm> pak33m, newz2000, I think before we start creating a team we should write up a spec linked to a blueprint with all the work involved. We have a goal, but I think we need to provide some more information to those wanting to join th team and start helping
109 11:40 < pak33m> dpm: good point
110 11:40 < newz2000> I agree
111 11:41 < dpm> I think we can start with the current page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebsiteLocalization/Roadmap
112 11:41 < pak33m> just expand upon it more
113 11:41 < dpm> yes
114 11:42 < dpm> just write a high level spec on the wiki
115 11:42 < dpm> and create a blueprint with some work items
116 11:42 < dpm> when we've got that, we can announce the project and tell people in more detail what the goal is
117 11:43 < dpm> they can then join and help refining the work items
118 11:43 < dpm> and bring in new ideas
119 11:43 < pak33m> that was part of the point for this meeting to help define some of the things that needed to be done
120 11:43 < newz2000> I think your high-level list is pretty good
121 11:43 < newz2000> that you put here into IRC
122 11:44 < pak33m> ok..
123 11:44 < pak33m> when i get my computer back i will start working on translating things from here onto the wiki page
124 11:45 < pak33m> newz2000: where should i create blueprints at..
125 11:45 < newz2000> does it get tied to a team or a project?
126 11:45 < pak33m> im not the greates with lp
127 11:45 * newz2000 isn't either
128 11:45 < pak33m> project i believe
129 11:45 < dpm> newz2000, I'd say a project for now
130 11:46 < pak33m> but then the project needs a driver
131 11:46 < pak33m> i believe
132 11:46 < newz2000> ok. We have a team but we probably want a new project
133 11:46 < dpm> is there any ubuntu-site related project in LP?
134 11:46 < pak33m> theres website-editors
135 11:46 < newz2000> that's the team I was thinking of
136 11:46 < newz2000> the closest project we have is https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website
137 11:46 < newz2000> oh, that's a product. Is that the same as a project?
138 11:47 < pak33m> ive never seen a product
139 11:47 < pak33m> but i dont think so
140 11:47 < pak33m> http://launchpad.net/gtg is a project i believe
141 11:47 < pak33m> and then http://launchpad.net/~gtg would be a team
142 11:48 < newz2000> oh, they are the same
143 11:48 < newz2000> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website == https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website
144 11:48 < pak33m> k
145 11:48 < dpm> I think a product/project can contain subprojects, IIRC. Product is only the internal name for a project
146 11:49 -!- alejandraobregon
147 11:49 < dpm> so attaching a blueprint to ubuntu-site sounds like a good idea to me
148 11:49 < newz2000> ok
149 11:49 < pak33m> ok
150 11:49 < pak33m> newz2000: stupid question... do i have access to that project?
151 11:49 < newz2000> I'm not sure
152 11:50 < newz2000> (though you are the top contributor) :-)
153 11:50 < pak33m> lol
154 11:50 < pak33m> then i may
155 11:50 < pak33m> ill have to look
156 11:50 < dpm> I think everyone can register blueprints, though
157 11:50 -!- alejandraobregon
158 11:50 < pak33m> dpm: i have have tried creatinng blueprints on things before and been told i dont have access
159 11:50 < pak33m> but i dont know
160 11:50 -!- alejandraobregon
161 11:51 < newz2000> dpm: do you have any experience in translating large blocks of text?
162 11:51 < pak33m> maybe ill look for someone really good with lp hehehe
163 11:51 < newz2000> Do we use launchpad for that?
164 11:51 < newz2000> oh, wait, no we'll use the wiki
165 11:51 -!- alejandraobregon
166 11:51 < dpm> newz2000, ubuntu-docs for example. We always break things in paragraphs to ease the translation
167 11:53 < pak33m> after i get home ill start looking around as far as lp to see what i can come up with to get the ball rolling as far as setting up the specs and such
168 11:53 -!- alejandraobregon
169 11:53 -!- alejandraobregon
170 11:54 -!- alejandraobregon
171 11:54 < newz2000> ok. I'm happy to help you however I can
172 11:54 < pak33m> cool
173 11:54 < dpm> ok, I'd say at this point we could summarize and perhaps set a date for another meeting for review, what do you think?
174 11:54 < pak33m> that works for me dpm
175 11:55 -!- qense
176 11:55 < pak33m> so for now, i am going to work on expanding on the specs on the wiki page, and setting up a blueprint...
177 11:55 < pak33m> ill pass those on to you two for review when im complete
178 11:55 < dpm> pak33m, cool, remember that in the meantime if you need any help you just have to ping us
179 11:55 < pak33m> sounds gread dpm
180 11:56 < dpm> you can use the subpages under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/ as a template for a spec
181 11:56 < pak33m> ok... thanks for the link
182 11:56 < dpm> there is a template somewhere in the wiki, but it'll take me some minutes to find
183 11:58 < pak33m> ok..
184 11:58 < newz2000> pak33m: when it comes time to start recruiting help, let me send the first email introducing you as the lead for this project.
185 11:58 < pak33m> ok
186 11:58 < pak33m> that sounds fine
187 11:59 < dpm> pak33m, there it is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate, you can take out the chunks that do not apply to this particular spec
188 11:59 < pak33m> do we need another meeting prior to starting recruiting or do you think we can do it informally over irc/email?
189 11:59 < pak33m> thanks dpm
190 12:00 < newz2000> I'm ok w/ informal but I'm always here anyway. Happy to have another meeting if it helps dpm.
191 12:00 < pak33m> ok.. well.. i say we leave it as next meeding tbd depending on need
192 12:00 < newz2000> ok
193 12:00 < dpm> pak33m, I'd say we schedule another meeting to review the spec. Would a week or two give you enough time for the spec, pak33m?
194 12:00 < pak33m> ok... if you would like to do another meeting that is fine..
195 12:01 < dpm> I think it would help fleshing things out a bit
196 12:01 < pak33m> dpm: newz2000 the week of the 22nd would be best for me i think... not monday and not at 1300 est all week
197 12:02 < newz2000> how about this same time two weeks from now?
198 12:02 < pak33m> if you two can come up with something that works around that i should be good
199 12:02 < pak33m> thats fine with me.. dpm
200 12:02 < pak33m> ?
201 12:02 < dpm> newz2000, ^ that sounds good to me
202 12:02 < dpm> yes
203 12:02 < pak33m> ok.. great
204 12:02 < newz2000> cool.
205 12:02 < pak33m> two weeks.. the 26th.. awesome
206 12:03 < newz2000> thanks guys, thanks pak33m for leading this. I'm excited to see it come through.
207 12:03 < dpm> pak33m, great!, thanks for driving this, as I say, you know where we are, just ping if you need any help until then
208 12:03 < pak33m> thanks all :)
209 12:04 < pak33m> cjohnston has now left my body and returned me back to it
210 12:05 < dpm> :-)
211 12:05 < cjohnston> awesome
212 12:05 < cjohnston> i feel better now
213 12:05 < dpm> ok, added the meeting to my calendar