This is the 16th meeting of the UKTeam, starting at 20:30 GMT and finishing at 21:22 GMT


= Attendance =

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 * popey
 * Laney
 * corenomial
 * cied
 * tonytiger
 * freesitebuilder
 * james_w
 * dgjones
 * brobostigon
 * daviey
 * mgdm

= Agenda =
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 * Getting people involved in the podcast
 * Hardy release part[y|ies]
 * Any interest in a Packaging Jam, as mentioned on the mailing list - Laney
 * 5-a-day - james_w
 * Insert agenda items here

= Minutes =

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21:31:33 	LINK 	popey 	 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20080326Meeting
21:31:52 	LINK 	popey 	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot
21:34:03 	Topic: Getting people involved in the podcast
21:42:07 	IDEA 	popey 	call for suggestions on the mailing list for the podcast well before the next one airs, asking for stuff to be sent to podcast@
21:44:03 	IDEA 	popey 	as people to submit audio questions, discussion items
21:44:27 	IDEA 	popey 	outline in the mail to the list some specific areas or segments we could do with help on
21:49:34 	IDEA 	popey 	have a segment where we catch up with what's happening in the LoCo
21:50:33 	Topic: Hardy release part[y|ies]
21:51:00 	IDEA 	popey 	have one after the demo day (26th april) two days after hardy releases (and on a saturday) somehwere near the demo day
21:58:30 	ACTION 	popey 	popey mail the list coaxing people to have release parties, not just one big one that nobody can get to
21:59:02 	IDEA 	popey 	Use daft terms like distributed release party and grid party in the mail
21:59:40 	Topic: Any interest in a Packaging Jam, as mentioned on the mailing list - Laney
22:11:18 	ACTION 	popey 	james_w / Laney to organise bug/packaging jam for sometime after UDS
22:12:45 	Topic: #
22:12:45 	Topic: 5-a-day - james_w
22:16:02 	LINK 	james_w 	http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/
22:17:46 	ACTION 	popey 	james_w to mail the list raising the profile of 5-a-day
22:22:45 	ACTION 	popey 	Next meeting here 9th april 20:30
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<corenominal_> hi popey :)
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<brobostigon> now
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<popey> thats the agenda
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<popey> ok, those here, say [PRESENT]
<popey> [PRESENT]
<Laney> [PRESENT]
<corenominal_> PRESENT
<CieD> [PRESENT]
<tonytiger> [PRESENT]
<freesitebuilder> [PRESENT]
<james_w> [PRESENT]
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<dgjones> PRESENT
<brobostigon> present
<Daviey> [PRESENT]
<popey> cool
<Daviey> although a bit busy atm
<brobostigon> [PRESENT]
<popey> It's been some time since we had the last meeting, although there has been very little call for one
<mgdm> [PRESENT]
<popey> now we have a few things on the agenda, and an upcoming release, it seems like a good time
<popey> if you have anything you want added to the agenda, do so now by editing the agenda page and tacking it on the bottom
<corenominal_> [PRESENT]
<popey> or bring it up at the end under "AOB"
<popey> Ok, lets start
<popey> [TOPIC] Getting people involved in the podcast
<MootBot> New Topic: Getting people involved in the podcast
<popey> We had a lot of great feedback about the podcast
<popey> and a little negative
<popey> what we would like to do is get more people involved
<popey> discuss :)
<brobostigon> what was the negative??
<popey> two things
<popey> 1) Audio issues - pretty much resolved in episode 2
<popey> 2) the fact that it came as a surprise to those who had previously expressed an interest in being involved
<corenominal_> involved how? production and/or content
<popey> corenominal_: discuss :)
<popey> if people can create content that would be great!
<popey> interviews, discussions, debates..
<Daviey> i thought the presenters were rubbish :)
* mgdm is up for it, as he has probably mentioned
<corenominal_> right
<james_w> I thought the second was very good. The audio issues were almost gone, but one presenter sounded a little distant.
<corenominal_> lol
<popey> that would probably either be CieD or tonytiger
<tonytiger> james_w: Any idea which?
<brobostigon> well popey you produce it, so i think contect is implyed
<james_w> tonytiger: sorry, no, let me find out.
<tonytiger> james_w: OK cool
<popey> So you know.. some info about the first two episodes
<CieD> I'd like to people to send in news items to the email address
<tonytiger> It would be great to receive content (i.e. recorded segments) or just ideas for suggestions. If ubuntu-uk members can make recordings in person that would be cool too, although I appreciate this is difficult.
<popey> that would reduce our research workload, yes CieD
<popey> any ideas on how we can get people to contribute?
<popey> not necessarily _what_ can people do, but more _how_ do we get them to do it?
<mgdm> I propose having a wiki page where we can line up interviews with people from interesting projects, which could then be followed up by interested UK LoCoFolk?
<popey> mgdm: good idea, and done, we have a wiki :)
<mgdm> Doing them over Ekiga/Skype is probably possible, should the other party be up for it
<corenominal_> sounds good
<james_w> tonytiger: it was CieD, but I think it improved as time went on
<popey> it's a separate wiki from the ubuntu one, kept private so that info doesn't leak out
<popey> if someone is interested in helping, we can get them access to the wiki
<tonytiger> james_w: OK cool, thanks.
<mgdm> popey: sign me up :)
<corenominal_> also, if people are starting projects etc, maybe they could send in a sound clip letting people know about...
<Laney> Perhaps a list of people able to do any interviews/reporting in each general area, who can then be called upon if the need arises?
<popey> mgdm: drop a mail to podcast@ubuntu-uk.org
<mgdm> popey: ok, will do
<james_w> could an email a few days before your planning meeting to the list prompt some suggestions?
<tonytiger> mgdm: We're reluctant to use skype for obvious reasons, although plan some telephone interviews in the future.
<popey> Laney: good idea
<mgdm> tonytiger: Yeah, I know what you mean. I can likely do telephone recording too if it comes to it.
<popey> james_w: yes, good idea, but i dont want tooo much public discusion in the list about it, because its (and this place) are publicly archived
<popey> we have a private non-logged irc channel and wiki, er, and gobby :)
* Moniker42 walks in on the middle of a meeting
<popey> so those people who really _do_ want to help can just drop a mail to podcast@ubuntu-uk.org and we'll "let you in" as it were
<james_w> popey: true, but perhaps a reminder to email you off-list with any suggestions or news items for that episode would work instead.
<popey> james_w: ah, better idea, yes
* Moniker42 looks sheepish, has a conflict in the fight/flight reflex in his legs and collapses on the floor
<brobostigon> popey: that sounds ok
<tonytiger> james_w: good idea
<popey> [IDEA] call for suggestions on the mailing list for the podcast well before the next one airs, asking for stuff to be sent to podcast@
<MootBot> IDEA received: call for suggestions on the mailing list for the podcast well before the next one airs, asking for stuff to be sent to podcast@
<popey> is that enough do you think?
<james_w> I think as there are more episodes people will get the idea of what is "appropriate" for the podcast, which might help.
<popey> we can't be any more "forceful" than that
<popey> yeah, I hope so
<Daviey> Sorry i'm not taking part chaps, still working :*(
<popey> Daviey: it's fine
<Moniker42> popey, i think given the nature of oss news (projects develop over time) it's unlikely to be an issue if segments and speakers are delayed till the next episode
<popey> ok, so is that enough for the podcast? We just ask on the mailing list regularly?
<CieD> I would like people to send in their questions as audio files rather than email, this will add to the content of the podcast
<james_w> perhaps a quick list of some general areas would help, e.g. news, upcoming events, interviews...
<Moniker42> is there a forum?
<popey> [IDEA] as people to submit audio questions, discussion items
<MootBot> IDEA received: as people to submit audio questions, discussion items
<popey> Moniker42: no
<popey> [IDEA] outline in the mail to the list some specific areas or segments we could do with help on
<MootBot> IDEA received: outline in the mail to the list some specific areas or segments we could do with help on
<popey> Moniker42: why do you ask? :)
<Moniker42> popey, a wiki sounds like a rather odd way of submitting ideas to me
<brobostigon> i got disconnected
<popey> well, we have http://uk.ubuntuforums.org/
<james_w> I assume that you will also bring recording equipment to any events, which would allow people to contribute that way.
<popey> Moniker42: thats not the way of submitting ideas, mail is
<freesitebuilder> Do you plan to have the same topics or segments in each issue?
<popey> james_w: that would be the idea
<popey> freesitebuilder: good point, probably not, generally speaking "a discussion", "an interview", "news" would be it at a high level, not no more specific than that
<Moniker42> "and now over to alan for our current affairs segment..."
<popey> Moniker42: the wiki is just used for consolidating the documentation
<popey> :)
<popey> we use gobby during the recording session itself to tweak it as we go
<corenominal_> how about a regular segment dedicated to stuff happening within the LoCo? on going projects etc
<popey> like it corenominal_
<tonytiger> Is there enough happening to make it sustainable?
<popey> although it will be a short segment
<brobostigon> corenominal_: good idea
<popey> tonytiger: some segments could come and go
* tonytiger nods
<popey> i.e. not be in every episode, but every 4th or every 2nd or something
<tonytiger> Whenever there's content for it :)
<corenominal_> true, but maybe it might be a good way to get people involved
<james_w> I think ongoing reports could be a little dry, but highlighting interesting things would be great.
<popey> well, we have mentioned the upcoming ubuntu demo day in both episode so far..
<tonytiger> If LoCo members have projects they want to talk about
<corenominal_> sometimes stuff appears on the list and then dissappears
<popey> much of it for good reason corenominal_ :)
<popey> because nothing happens
<corenominal_> maybe the podcast could help with momentum
<corenominal_> :)
<popey> true
<popey> i did consider a segment about "what's in discussion"
<popey> i.e. what are people talking about in the communit
<tonytiger> Even discussing ideas for projects could be interesting
<popey> +y
<popey> [IDEA] have a segment where we catch up with what's happening in the LoCo
<MootBot> IDEA received: have a segment where we catch up with what's happening in the LoCo
<corenominal_> yay!
<brobostigon> popey: sound ok
<popey> ok, we have spent a while on the podcast, shall we move on if there are no more points to raise?
<brobostigon> popey: i mean, sounds ok, fine
<popey> [TOPIC] Hardy release part[y|ies]
<MootBot> New Topic: Hardy release part[y|ies]
<Daviey> Southampton++
<james_w> party on wayne!
<popey> [IDEA] have one after the demo day (26th april) two days after hardy releases (and on a saturday) somehwere near the demo day
<MootBot> IDEA received: have one after the demo day (26th april) two days after hardy releases (and on a saturday) somehwere near the demo day
<james_w> popey: good idea.
<brobostigon> in swindon. near swindon??
<CieD> I've asked WiltsLUG members to look for a suitable venue
<freesitebuilder> I am not responsible for the councils car-parking fees :)
<CieD> I've had no replies yet
<popey> May I remind everyone that _anyone_ can have a release party _anywhere_
<freesitebuilder> Only two I know of are on that hotspots site that I mentioned
<popey> I don't think we should aim to have wifi at the release party
<freesitebuilder> popey: what time shall we come round?
<popey> it's not required
<popey> haha
<corenominal_> How many people are needed for a party? Does 1 count?
<popey> corenominal_: sure :)
<popey> take photos :)
<corenominal_> will do ;)
<corenominal_> it's going to ROCK!
<popey> I'm seroius, last year there were lots of arguments about the location. i want to avoid that
<brobostigon> anybody live near banbury, i would be happpt to host one??
<james_w> I agree with popey on the WiFi
<popey> I want people to just get on and do it
<Laney> What happened in the end with Gutsy, and how well did that go?
<popey> For example the one we had in London, we just told people which pub we would be in
<popey> Daviey: how many people turned up?
<popey> 10-20?
<popey> including Mark Shuttleworth and Matt Zimmerman and a few other Canonical bods
<james_w> I'm happy to meet in a pub in Bristol if anyone is in the area.
<Moniker42> warning: release parties can be very depressing
<james_w> Moniker42: why?
<freesitebuilder> why?
<popey> Moniker42: the one in London wasnt
<Moniker42> i don't mean the ones that are actual parties
<corenominal_> are you mean hardly release parties :)
<Moniker42> i mean when three guys sit in a pub and realise they're celebrating a piece of software they've had installed for weeks
<james_w> heh
<brobostigon> banbury, i would be happy to host a meeting, if there is interest????
* mgdm disappears
<gord> thats not really what its about Moniker42, its just an excuse to meet up with friends
<popey> Ok, how about I send out a mail to the list and we spark some discussion there, then people like james_w and brobostigon can reply with their ideas?
<corenominal_> gord: and enemies :)
<brobostigon> popey: ok
<CieD> good idea popey
<popey> ok
<james_w> popey: yeah, and state that there is not going to be one release party, but a bunch.
<popey> [ACTION] popey mail the list coaxing people to have release parties, not just one big one that nobody can get to
<MootBot> ACTION received: popey mail the list coaxing people to have release parties, not just one big one that nobody can get to
<Laney> A distributed release party ;)
<popey> yay!
<popey> Grid Party
<popey> [IDEA] Use daft terms like distributed release party and grid party in the mail
<brobostigon> then you can go to the one nearest to you
<MootBot> IDEA received: Use daft terms like distributed release party and grid party in the mail
<popey> ok, next topic unless anyone has anything more to add on that?
<popey> [TOPIC] Any interest in a Packaging Jam, as mentioned on the mailing list - Laney
<MootBot> New Topic: Any interest in a Packaging Jam, as mentioned on the mailing list - Laney
<popey> Laney: explain what a packaging jam is if you please?
<Laney> Righto.
<brobostigon> what is jam??
<Laney> Here is the original mailing list post from james_w: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2008-March/011600.html
<Laney> As you all probably know, Ubuntu developers take softwhere which has been developed by other groups of people, and make it available for Ubuntu users through a package manager (Synaptic, apt-get, ...)
* corenominal_ registers some interest
<Laney> The process of taking software from these groups (upstream), and turning it into a Ubuntu package is called, unsurprisingly, packaging.
<Laney> A packaging jam is where a group of people (such as our LoCo) get together and learn how to create and maintain packages. :)
<popey> get together in real life or online or both Laney ?
<Laney> popey: Primarily real-life; there is already a fairly strong community going online.
<Laney> Although I don't see why it couldn't be webcast
<Moniker42> gagh, i keep getting dragged away from the computer... there's no point in me finishing that strand i was on about release parties now :(
<james_w> this normally takes place on line, but the point of a Jam is to make it a personal thing.
<popey> Moniker42: bring it up on the list
<popey> james_w: how many people make a jam?
<james_w> well, my Grandma used to do it on her own, but she'd let me lick the spoon
<corenominal_> poor :)
<corenominal_> you're FIRED!
<Daviey> re: release party - i've already hit the ML, and there was little interest
<Daviey> (/me unsuprised)
<Moniker42> gaagggh
<james_w> it can be any number though, I think 4 would be a reasonable minimum, a dozen would be perfect if we had a few people with experience.
* Moniker42 jams a chair under his door
<Laney> What I wanted to get from this meeting was a consensus on whether we want a packaging jam in principle. This can be made more concrete through ML posts.
<Laney> Having a mandate from this meeting would be a good driver, I feel.
* Daviey up for a packaging jam
<Laney> Then we can nail things like location down later.
<popey> i would be up for it too
<james_w> The other alternative is a bug jam, which focuses on how to handle bugs, which requires less technical skill.
* corenominal_ up for it in theory, would be good to learn more
<popey> james_w: do both?
<popey> then the bug triagers can learn packaging :)
<james_w> I thought if we managed to get a full day we could perhaps do both, but it's up to you guys.
<CieD> I'm interested in learning about packaging and bugs
<popey> ditto
<popey> I'm interested in this idea
<james_w> I thought there was enough interest expresses on the mailing list to take it to the next step.
<popey> deffo james_w
<james_w> is there anyone that didn't reply that is interested?
<popey> whats the next step :)
<CieD> I didn't reply on the list
<brobostigon> i got disconnected again
<james_w> I think I've seen a couple, so that's even better.
<james_w> so I think the next step is to find a venue, anyone think different?
<Laney> Well, and a date
<popey> james_w: be nice to get some canonical people involved.. maybe even just one
<james_w> and a tentative date as well.
<james_w> popey: done
<popey> are we not a bit late for hardy?
<Moniker42> popey, to make it /canon/? :)
<james_w> yeah, for the packaging definitely.
<james_w> the bugs maybe by the time I actually get off my butt and organise it.
<popey> ok, so is this something that should be planned for Irritable Ibex?
* Laney nods
<james_w> I think so, but it can happen pretty much anytime.
<popey> how about one shortly after UDS?
<james_w> we should avoid things like UDS and the like
<popey> once the repos open
<james_w> sounds good to me.
<Laney> UDS is when?
<popey> end of may
<james_w> that time is pretty crazy, but there's loads to do.
<popey> I'll be at UDS so can butter up some people in the UK to come along to help us get started
<james_w> so, first/second week of June?
<popey> james_w: sounds like a good target
<james_w> I'm there as well, so we can double team them.
<popey> O RLY?
* tonytiger is also going
<james_w> so, there's a certain Ubuntu-friendly company with office space in London we could hit-up for some space to host it, that's one possibility.
<popey> so can we agree an action that james_w / Laney organise this?
<james_w> anyone else know any suitable places?
<popey> james_w: they already host jams so I dont think that's unreasonable
<Laney> james_w: Sounds fair
<popey> I'd go to london for that
<james_w> and I'm happy to organise another somewhere far from London if people want that.
<popey> brum would be good, we have a lot of people round there
<popey> ok..
<Moniker42> mgdm, i think that still puts both of our areas out of the picture :)
<popey> [ACTION] james_w / Laney to organise bug/packaging jam for sometime after UDS
<MootBot> ACTION received: james_w / Laney to organise bug/packaging jam for sometime after UDS
<james_w> cool.
<Laney> Status update at next meeting?
<brobostigon> i am in banbury, not far from brum
<james_w> and, is everyone happy with a Saturday?
<popey> yes
<brobostigon> ok
<popey> james_w: have to see what the office people say
<james_w> yeah, that may be the trouble, but I assume that it suits u-uk better
<popey> james_w: talk about this detail on the list
<popey> yes
<james_w> sure thing
<popey> ok, shall we move on?
<james_w> yup
<popey> you again :)
<popey> [TOPIC] #
<popey> [TOPIC] 5-a-day - james_w
<popey> #
<MootBot> New Topic: #
<MootBot> New Topic: 5-a-day - james_w
<popey> bah
<brobostigon> ok
<Moniker42> yes, i think james should definitely be getting his fruit and veg
<popey> :)
<james_w> 5-a-day is the effort trying to get everybody in the Ubuntu community to work on 5 bugs a day.
* Moniker42 has yet to contribute anything but terrible puns to this meeting...
<Laney> james_w: "work on" meaning...?
<popey> s/ but terrible puns//
<james_w> you don't have to fix them, just confirm them, or ask for more information, or something useful.
<Laney> :)
<james_w> and it doesn't have to be 5, some people do one, some do 30.
<james_w> you may have heard all of this already, but the news is that 5-a-day now has team support
<CieD> james_w: I hope to understand what's involved once I've been to the jam
<james_w> so as well as earning cool points for yourself, you can earn them for the team as well.
<james_w> yeah, after the Bug Jam, you'll all be well prepared to do this.
<Moniker42> oh, ffs....
<james_w> so, I just wanted to make a plug so that people know about it, and will set ubuntu-uk as their team.
<popey> james_w: wanna mail the list about it?
<Laney> james_w: Do you have a link to this team business?
<popey> to raise the profile?
<james_w> http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/
<MootBot> LINK received: http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/
<james_w> that's the "leaderboard"
<james_w> you can see the teams at the bottom
<james_w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
<james_w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day#head-61830a788a483cb40f6da2d9ed5baf8a53d48c71
<james_w> that's the general instructions, and the team instructions
<popey> james_w: can you mail the list about this? raise profile and outline teams and stuff?
<james_w> so, if you want to get started you can swing by #ubuntu-bugs, where there's a whole load of helpful people who will help you out
<james_w> popey: sure.
<Laney> Running the add-... program reports back to Daniel's stats?
<popey> [ACTION] james_w to mail the list raising the profile of 5-a-day
<MootBot> ACTION received: james_w to mail the list raising the profile of 5-a-day
<james_w> I've said my bit, any questions, or shall we move on?
<popey> I think we need a bigger audience for that and consolidation of that info
<popey> so a ML post would be great
<popey> blimey - that's all the topics we have
<popey> ok, anything else anyone has to discuss speak now
<corenominal_> erm...
<Daviey> next meeting date?
<popey> thats next
<popey> ok, when? two weeks today?
<corenominal_> just to say congrats to all involved in getting the podcast off the ground, good job guys!
<james_w> yeah, I agreee
<popey> oh cool, thanks
<james_w> emphatically it seems
<popey> next meeting 9th april at 20:30 to keep momentum of some of these things going?
<Daviey> (short meeting methinks)
<tonytiger> Sadly I won't be able to make it.
<james_w> works for me
<corenominal_> and me
<tonytiger> I'm not really that important to the meeting though :)
<popey> awww
* popey hugs tonytiger
<popey> depends how well you edit the next podcast :)
<CieD> :)
<popey> ok, done
<popey> [ACTION] Next meeting here 9th april 20:30
<MootBot> ACTION received: Next meeting here 9th april 20:30
<popey> #endmeeting
<MootBot> Meeting finished at 22:22.
<popey> thanks everyone
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