== Agenda == * Review ACTION points from previous meeting * Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred, carry over) * Daviey to post another followup one euca-dhcp bug. (carry over) * SpamapS to put his version of ubuntuserver-minutes in directions for writing minutes * ALL: Please review the current documentation (for Natty release) * Daviey to talk with docs team about new submissions (New documentation for cluster stack) * Natty Development * Ubuntu Server Team Events * Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) * Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) * Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) * Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community * Open Discussion * Announce next meeting date and time * Tuesday, April 12th 2011 16:00 UTC == Minutes == ==== Meeting Actions ==== * Daviey to submit UDS-O topic for translations and docs * jamespage to helpout with verification of euca-dhcp bug * jamespage to discover process/location for fixing ubuntu server documentation ==== Review ACTION points from previous meeting ==== * Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred, carry over) * Daviey to talk with docs team about new submissions (New documentation for cluster stack) * Daviey has discussed this with the documentation team; most Ubuntu documentation is facing the same issue that the server documentation set is (i.e. lack of resource). * [ACTION] Daviey actioned to raise a UDS-O topic to discuss server team documentation and the how this is taken forwards. * Daviey to post another followup one euca-dhcp bug. (carry over) * Progress on this issue; bug applied but needs verification. * [ACTION] jamespage to help out with verification that this issue is resolved. * SpamapS to put his version of ubuntuserver-minutes in directions for writing minutes * DONE * ALL: Please review the current documentation (for Natty release) * Some review; however team are unclear on how to fix documentation for the release. * [ACTION] jamespage to find out and report back/email. ==== Natty Development ==== Focus is now on bug fixing rather than development. * List of release bugs for server team: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=server-nrs * Looking OK. * Work Items for Beta-2: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html * Looking OK. Daviey asked that any blockers, issues or concerns be raised as soon as possible in the run up to beta-2 Smoser raised two bugs that required MIR approval: * Launchpad bug 726572 in cloud-initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "[MIR] cloud-initramfs-tools" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726572 * Launchpad bug 727200 in lxc (Ubuntu Natty) "[MIR] lxcguest in main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727200 ==== Ubuntu Server Team Events ==== * SpamapS: Apr. 13,14 I will be at the MySQL Users' Conference in Santa Clara, CA * jamespage: I'll be attending puppet camp europe on the 28/29 April in Amsterdam * zul: Apr 25 - 29 I will be at the Openstack summit, Santa Clara, CA ==== Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) ==== * Current investigating: * Launchpad bug 746751 in linux (Ubuntu) "kernel: [Firmware Bug]: the BIOS has corrupted hw-PMU resources (MSR 38d is 30)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746751 * Kernel SRU tests are throwing up security failures, compiler stracktraces etc... ==== Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) ==== * Launchpad bug 634487 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "t1.micro instance hangs when installing java" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634487 * Latest natty works fine on smb test rig; however not in ec2. * The bug seems to be some interaction between xen hypervisor and the kernel. And it looks like newer Xen works. * Just need Amazon to upgrade. ==== Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) ==== Not present ==== Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community ==== None ==== Open Discussion ==== None ==== Announce next meeting date and time ==== * Tuesday, April 12th 2011 16:00 UTC == Log == {{{ Started logging meeting in #ubuntu-meeting [11:02:06] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [11:02:18] Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred, carry over) [11:02:26] Okay, i briefly spoke with dpm [11:02:26] Any progress on this one Daviey? [11:02:48] o/ [11:02:49] It seems something to table for the next cycle. [11:02:57] (until the next cycle) [11:03:28] OK; so is that going to need a UDS topic? [11:03:33] Daviey: was there any mention of the greater problem of nobody actually working on the server guide this cycle? :-/ [11:03:38] jamespage, yes [11:03:53] SpamapS, what you said + s/server guide/docs/ [11:04:01] The whole platform docs are lacking this cycle. [11:04:05] Daviey: *ouch* [11:04:35] As in, there currently isn't really any activity this cycle. [11:06:10] [ACTION] Daviey to submit UDS-O topic for translations and docs [11:06:13] Ta [11:06:24] Next: Daviey to post another followup one euca-dhcp bug. (carry over) [11:07:57] Daviey? [11:09:10] Hmmm; might need to come back to that one [11:09:25] SpamapS : to put his version of ubuntuserver-minutes in directions for writing minutes [11:09:45] Done 2 weeks ago, its in the comments of the meeting page. [11:10:06] Right-oh looks like the actions might not quite be right - I'll take it off. [11:10:16] no I skipped last week ;) [11:10:18] it was a carry over [11:11:24] jamespage, It is making it progress.. [11:11:45] It looks fixed, but requires verification [11:11:50] .. [11:12:40] OK - do you need any action from this team? I'm happy to have a go at testing it [11:13:20] jamespage, testing is MUCHLY appreciated [11:13:30] There is a known upgrade issue, which is currently being worked on [11:13:44] but fresh install testing would be really beneficial [11:13:50] [ACTION] jamespage to helpout with verification of euca-dhcp bug [11:14:16] thanks! [11:14:18] Next: ALL: Please review the current documentation (for Natty release) [11:14:36] Euca is currently looking adequate. [11:15:02] Anyone else managed to find some time to review docs? [11:16:08] Well I know that I've not managed to; suggest that we carry that action [11:16:21] jamespage: once again, for the minutes, a link? [11:16:26] jamespage: I did but I can't figure out how to *fix* problems. [11:16:45] the server guide is no longer in the ubuntu-docs package.. not sure where exactly it lives [11:17:13] * SpamapS must end this line of speaking because compiz has just eaten itself... [11:17:23] hallyn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting (follow link at bottom of page) [11:17:42] So can anyone enlighten us on how to fix documentation issues? [11:17:50] it got removed into a pdf didnt it/ [11:18:03] well it has a bzr tree somewhere [11:18:10] zul: pdf + html [11:18:17] its all in docbook.. somewhere. :-P [11:19:05] SpamapS: *cough* https://code.launchpad.net/~asommer/ubuntu-docs/serverguide [11:19:21] erm [11:19:29] that isn't the main location... is it?! [11:19:38] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/natty [11:19:58] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs maybe? [11:20:18] i dunno maybe we need to fire off an email to asommer then [11:21:04] Daviey: where did you find that? [11:21:43] Well it seems like there is some confusion; I'll pickup and action to try and find out... [11:22:06] [ACTION] jamespage to discover process/location for fixing ubuntu server documentation [11:22:23] * jamespage thinks I might be a glutton for punishment but hey-ho [11:22:47] Daviey to talk with docs team about new submissions (New documentation for cluster stack) [11:23:00] seems to all be about documentation this week Daviey [11:23:13] That made no progress due to lack of activity [11:23:15] That does look like the bit I was looking for tho, so thanks. :) [11:23:23] This shares the same action as UDS-O session [11:23:39] OK; so thats last weeks actions... [11:23:47] \o/ [11:23:47] [TOPIC] Natty Development [11:24:35] should be no "development"...just bug fixing ;) [11:24:53] dang it [11:25:38] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=server-nrs [11:26:43] Essentially, we are looking pretty good. [11:26:52] i have a probably bad question to ask . bug 726572 and bug 727200 [11:26:54] zul: isn't bug 742770 fixed as of your upload yesterday? [11:26:54] Launchpad bug 726572 in cloud-initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "[MIR] cloud-initramfs-tools" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726572 [11:26:56] Launchpad bug 727200 in lxc (Ubuntu Natty) "[MIR] lxcguest in main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727200 [11:26:57] Launchpad bug 742770 in lxc (Ubuntu) "Erorr in syntax in ubuntu templates" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742770 [11:26:59] are both MIR [11:27:17] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html [11:27:36] hallyn: it should [11:27:49] jamespage, Looks like beta2 is blocked on you :D [11:28:07] so that TODO is now DONE as well - have just not updated the spec. [11:28:11] Daviey: there's a bug in autofs that should be on that list, but I expect to fix that today. [11:28:30] SpamapS, The error in the default config? [11:28:45] hallyn: ill double check [11:28:53] Daviey: the upstart 'start on' breaks NFS mounts. [11:29:06] ahh [11:29:09] SpamapS, groovy [11:29:15] Daviey: and we also stopped reading /etc/default/autofs .. which is a regresssion from 10.10 and prior. [11:29:17] Are there any other concerns where people are blocked? [11:29:29] Daviey: I have an upload going in today just doing extensive testing. [11:29:32] SpamapS, that is the one i was thinking of! [11:30:21] How come our ISO tests don't have upgrades listed? [11:30:24] or do they? [11:31:08] SpamapS: They are listed separated fro the main install tests. [11:31:28] Daviey (or anyone else): anything else to add for Natty development/bug fixing... [11:31:29] ? [11:31:33] SpamapS, It's not very discoverable, but mvo runs automated upgrade testing aswell [11:32:14] jamespage, Just that if anyone is blocked, raise it ASAP... and concerned we have missed somthing, now would be a "good time" to let it be known [11:32:29] i've askwait.. [11:32:30] ACK [11:32:35] development/bug fixing [11:32:39] those two MIR bugs [11:32:43] is it to late for that ? [11:33:08] smoser, Shouldn't be... but the MIR team need to ACK and then the release team agree :) [11:33:10] SpamapS: i thought you already uploaded the fix? [11:33:21] ridddddddde. the split [11:34:40] OK; next topic is... [11:34:51] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events [11:35:10] Apr. 13,14 I will be at the MySQL Users' Conference in Santa Clara, CA [11:35:31] Speaking on the 13th about how Natty is the best platform for trying out Drizzle. :) [11:35:50] Good luch SpamapS - hope if goes well :-) [11:35:59] I'll be attending puppet camp europe on the 28/29 April in Amsterdam [11:36:02] Yeah I should probably start on my slides. :) [11:36:17] zul: are you attending the openstack summit? [11:36:33] I wonder if I should pop up and crash the openstack summit for 1 day. :) [11:37:23] jamespage, at previous puppet camp, we ran an awstrial for them [11:37:25] Apr 25 - 29 I will be at the Openstack summit i santa clara, CA [11:37:44] it went over pretty well, and we're more mature in some respects.. we may want to offer that to them again. [11:38:10] Definitely get in contact with puppetlabs now so we can be more prepared. [11:38:23] smoser: OK suggest we pick that up separately - I'll ping you directly and we can take it from there [11:38:26] Would be extremely cool if it were an awstrial backed by UEC. :) [11:38:48] then again, that might require 4 or 5 NC's ;) [11:38:57] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [11:39:06] hggdh: over to you [11:39:10] k [11:39:24] still trying to find the culprit on bug 746751 [11:39:26] Launchpad bug 746751 in linux (Ubuntu) "kernel: [Firmware Bug]: the BIOS has corrupted hw-PMU resources (MSR 38d is 30)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746751 [11:39:32] for what its worth, awstrial could be backed by UEC. but its not useful. [11:39:46] pretty much all my time has been dedicated to this and kernel sru testing this week [11:40:25] and it is not helping much that I am getting extremely weird results on local KVM testing [11:40:40] .. [11:41:22] hggdh: weird? [11:41:43] hggdh: the bug report suggests that kvm by hand is fine? [11:42:11] hallyn: on the kernel SRU tests -- I get security failures, compiler stracktraces, the whole 9 yards [11:42:13] hggdh: ? [11:42:25] oh right [11:42:27] hggdh: jinkeys! I've not seen any of that [11:42:39] hallyn: I am currently running a lucid image copied over, and no issues so far [11:42:57] the same lucid image barfs in many different and instructive ways on my laptop [11:43:18] hggdh: faulty hardware? [11:43:38] well jdstrand had some bad kvm results too, but we never were able to figure it out [11:43:42] jjohansen: it might -- I am also seeing now what seems to be wireless errors [11:43:54] hggdh: is htere an open bug for that? [11:44:05] (so we can take this out of the meeting :) [11:44:33] OK so we do need to push on; [11:44:47] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [11:44:49] hallyn: we can talk after the meeting [11:44:54] Hi [11:44:57] hggdh: ok [11:45:12] So some time was spend on bug 634487 [11:45:13] * jdstrand needs to bisect that still... [11:45:15] Launchpad bug 634487 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "t1.micro instance hangs when installing java" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634487 [11:45:42] Though unfortunately or fortunately all is good with latest natty on my centos 5.5 + xen 3.4.3 [11:46:00] but not on ec2 which is centos 5.0 + xen 3.1.something. [11:46:29] smb, is 634487 likely to be resolved this cycle? [11:46:39] Tried a centos 5.0 install this week but was set back by the slight difference of yum upgrade to apt-get upgrade [11:47:03] Daviey, If amazon upgrade... yes [11:47:26] Otherwise I still have no clue what happens because I cannot look outside [11:48:22] Daviey, The bug seems to be some interaction between xen hypervisor and the kernel. And it looks like newer Xen works [11:48:59] right, I find it unlikely this one can be resolved [11:49:25] I guess the interesting part of natty failing is that this contains the 3 patches fiddling around with the interrrupt types used [11:50:00] Which is iirc the changes we get asked to get for that problem... [11:51:02] smb: anything else from the kernel team? or any questions for smb? [11:51:14] On a sidenote I would have a patch now to make Hardy move to edge interrupts and the lucid updates just have hit the point of making them fasteoi... [11:51:36] smb, thanks! [11:51:37] * smb waits for questions [11:52:07] no questions, but comment to others [11:52:08] Oh one thing [11:52:15] jjohansen, wrote to mailing list asking for feedback [11:52:17] GIVE HIM SOME [11:52:30] hehe, thanks smoser [11:52:30] Has anybody exxperinece with using generic kernels under RHEL HVM? [11:52:46] "generic kernels" [11:52:52] as in kernel.org ? [11:53:01] IOW 10.04 but not the ec2 kernel [11:53:07] So lucid-generic [11:53:18] smb, well we know it doesnt work [11:53:43] jjohansen, How is your list of wishes coming on? [11:53:44] smoser, Then who sold that to the German LVM customer? [11:54:02] and i may have a bit more info for you. [11:54:02] smoser, bug 751253 [11:54:03] Launchpad bug 751253 in linux (Ubuntu) "Many interrupts and slow disk I/O on Lucid xen guest" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751253 [11:54:16] Daviey: slowly, the two big ones are still xen dom0 and containers [11:54:26] jjohansen, oh joy [11:54:32] smb, there was a thread on ubuntu-cloud about lucid hvm. i built a daily image to just see what would happen. i reported there what was wrong [11:55:26] smoser, Hm, maybe I could chicken out of looking at that bug report and let you reply... [11:55:32] OK guys - we are running a little short on time; smoser, smb can you pick that issue up separately [11:55:37] please :-) [11:55:41] thread at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-cloud/2011-March/000577.html [11:55:43] ok ok. :) [11:55:50] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) [11:56:00] Guess that we have already discussed docs to death this week. [11:56:08] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community [11:56:36] So anything from the community this week? [11:57:26] Okay so moving on... [11:57:29] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [11:57:38] Anything else anyone wants to raise? [11:57:45] More ideas for blueprints for next UDS please [11:57:54] (See ubuntu-server mailing list for inspiration) [11:58:02] I liked the wiki page last time [11:58:03] or ping one of us. thanks [11:58:13] Should we start collecting in a wiki page or just go right to blueprint? [11:58:31] SpamapS, I think hold fire for this week... [11:58:35] lets collate more ideas. [11:58:42] Although, talking of which... [11:58:51] Alright, I have a few that I'll be mailing about this week. [11:58:57] considering the activity of the mysql alternatives thread, expected some more input on the comparision wikipage [11:59:11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase/FeatureComparison/MySQL [11:59:30] and perhaps a similar thing, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase/FeatureComparison/NetworkMonitoring [11:59:47] And finally.... [11:59:57] Currently there seems to be no compelling reason for us to look at anything other than mysql IMO. [12:00:02] .. [12:00:11] [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time [12:00:24] Tuesday, April 12th 2011 16:00 UTC - see you all then :-) [12:00:35] #endmeeting Meeting ended. }}}