<> == Topics == * Web site news. * Planning an install fest / Feisty release party. * CD distribution. * Update on Charity project. == Log == {{{ 20:04 < etank> Is everyone ready to get started? 20:04 < montgoej> yep 20:04 < Contrast> Yup. 20:05 < bkingx> yep 20:05 < etank> OK. so first on the list is web site stuff. Some of you have seen it but if not here is what we have so far. http://64.191.174.220/ 20:06 < etank> what are your thoughts on it? 20:06 < montgoej> I like the overall Ubuntu feel of it 20:07 < jkeyes0> looks very nice so far. excellent progress. 20:07 < etank> it is a drupal site. 20:07 < Contrast> I concur. 20:07 < jkeyes0> I really like the logo 20:07 < jkeyes0> I'll have to check out drupal 20:07 < Contrast> With montgoej and jkeyes, I mean. 20:08 < etank> we have enabled the modules that allow any user to have a blog on the site if they want 20:08 < etank> props go to bkingx for the logo 20:09 < etank> so far we do not have a domain name registered for the site 20:09 < jkeyes0> where is the site hosted? 20:09 < etank> I have created a ticket on launchpad to see if ubuntu will give us a sub-domain of ubuntu-us.org 20:09 < etank> bkingx is hosting it now 20:09 < bkingx> ;) 20:10 < etank> we are asking for a sub-domain of ky.ubuntu-us.org 20:10 < jkeyes0> it has a very nice response time 20:10 < etank> and its running on a virtual machine at that 20:10 < bkingx> ;) 20:10 < bkingx> and hosting 2 other sites! 20:11 < etank> normally they do not give domain names to teams that are not on the approved list 20:11 < etank> one of the web guys is seeing what he can do for us though 20:11 < jkeyes0> wow! is it windows running a linux vm, or linux running a windows vm? (silly question, I know) 20:11 < etank> linux on a vm 20:11 < Contrast> If I already signed up through Launchpad, should I be good to go on this site, or do I need to set up another account? 20:11 < etank> Ubuntu to be exact 20:12 < jkeyes0> I met a salesperson from EMC today (they own VMWare). We might end up buying licenses for ESX server at work. 20:12 < etank> on this site you will need to set up a different accoung 20:12 < montgoej> Apache 2.0.55 Running on an Ubuntu vm 20:12 < bkingx> Props to etank for setting all that up!! 20:12 < etank> jkeyes0: as a plug for myself, if your company needs vmware admins let me know. 20:12 < etank> :) 20:13 < Contrast> Cool, just making sure I didn't forget my account info. 20:13 < venomous> jkeyes0: you guys will love esx. vi3 is great 20:13 < jkeyes0> you wouldn't like the pay. :P state jobs pay crappy 20:13 < etank> jkeyes0: i was a state contractor for 3.5 years 20:13 < jkeyes0> contractors make great money. state employees don't really 20:13 < etank> no kidding 20:14 < etank> back to the site stuff 20:14 < jkeyes0> sorry about that. 20:14 < etank> i told the ubuntu guys that if they will let us have the domain name then we would be willing to host it. 20:14 < etank> i would rather have more control over it anyway 20:15 < bkingx> We can also register www.ubuntu-kentucky.org 20:15 < bkingx> But Ubuntu asks that if it has its name in it, we ask for permission first. 20:15 < bkingx> So that is pending too. 20:15 < jkeyes0> I used 1and1.com when I hosted my company's site. very, very low prices. 20:15 < montgoej> ubuntu-ky.org is already registered as a placeholder 20:16 < montgoej> by the Ubuntu people 20:16 < bkingx> That is for Kenya 20:16 < montgoej> ah 20:16 < etank> yeah. they bought all of the ubuntu-xx.org names 20:16 < bkingx> As etank says....the xx is a country initial 20:17 < etank> i really like the idea of the ky.ubuntu-us name. 20:17 < etank> it follows the naming convention that ubuntu is setting 20:17 < etank> if they will let a non-approved team have it that is 20:18 < bkingx> right...I think we should go ahead and register ubuntu-kentucky.org in the meantime, IMO. 20:18 < Contrast> I agree. 20:19 < bkingx> If/when they give us ky.ubuntu-us.org, we can point both to the same location. 20:19 < bkingx> again, my .02 20:19 < etank> does everyone think that we should reg the domain now? 20:19 < Contrast> I think ubuntu-kentucky.org would be easier for most people to remember. 20:19 < |{evin> they can point to the same place 20:20 < etank> very true 20:20 < |{evin> so I say get that one 20:20 < etank> anyone else have an opinion? 20:21 < montgoej> I say we register it 20:21 < jkeyes0> I definitely like ubuntu-kentucky.org. pointers are easy enough to set up 20:21 < Contrast> I don't see any reason not to go ahead and register it, but then again, until the site has a bit more material, you could say there's not much reason to rush. 20:21 < venomous> hand for ubuntu-kentucky.org 20:22 etank +1 20:22 < Contrast> +1 20:22 < bkingx> Of course, there is the chance that Ubuntu could ask for the rights to it. 20:22 < |{evin> hand++ 20:22 < etank> where is a cheap place to register a site. 20:22 < bkingx> Being in their copyright stuff and all 20:22 < |{evin> not to be a dick.. but they can't really do anything about it 20:22 < etank> I only know of godaddy 20:22 < bkingx> networksolutions.com 20:23 < etank> I have the disclaimer at the bottom 20:23 < Contrast> True, l{evin, and even if they could, I think it'd be a pretty bad PR move on Canonical's part. 20:24 < bkingx> I agree, just playing devil's advocate 20:24 < etank> ok. godaddy says 8.95 and networksolutions is 14.95 20:24 < jkeyes0> 1and1.com? 20:25 < jkeyes0> 5.99 20:25 < jkeyes0> godaddy is probably the better option though 20:25 < |{evin> I've had issues w/ 1and1 20:26 < bkingx> And here is what Ubuntu says: 20:26 < bkingx> Where possible, we ask that Ubuntu related domain ownership be held by Canonical Limited or a Canonical-authorised organisation. Please ask for a trademark license before registering a domain which incorporates the Ubuntu name. In most cases, we will sponsor registration fees for approved domains, and leave technical administrative control in the hands of the website operator. 20:26 < jkeyes0> great prices, great uptime (if they're hosting), but it's kinda hard to cancel 20:26 < etank> do we need to reg both ubuntu-kentucky and www.ubuntu-kentucky ???? 20:26 < jkeyes0> no. one should give the other. 20:26 < |{evin> ubuntu-kentucky.com is the domain 20:26 < etank> jkeyes0: who was that in reference to 20:26 < |{evin> www is an a record for that domain 20:26 < etank> good point 20:27 < jkeyes0> etank: no. ubuntu-kentucky should give www as well 20:27 < bkingx> but .org or .com? 20:27 < etank> .org 20:27 < Contrast> I say .org. 20:27 < etank> we aren't selling anything 20:27 < bkingx> bkingx, .org 20:28 < |{evin> if you have ubuntu-kentucky.org, you can create {name}.ubuntu-kentucky.org at will 20:28 >>> comfurtn!n=kyle@mrtc-570020.mis.net 20:28 < etank> so do we go with godaddy then? 20:28 < bkingx> Right...like mail, www, smtp, etc. 20:28 < comfurtn> hey guys! 20:28 < comfurtn> i finally made it. 20:28 < etank> sup comfurtn 20:28 < etank> thought you were going to miss 20:28 < Contrast> Hey comfurtn. 20:28 < comfurtn> have i missed much? 20:29 < Contrast> Just discussing domain registration. 20:29 < comfurtn> etank: i made some adjustments -_- 20:29 < etank> comfurtn: the site is at http://64.191.174.220/ 20:29 < etank> thats what we are talking about 20:29 < comfurtn> still the same as it was last night? 20:30 < etank> yep 20:30 < comfurtn> k. 20:30 < etank> we are talking about registering a domain name for it 20:30 < etank> ubuntu-kentucky.org 20:31 < comfurtn> that would be cool. 20:31 < etank> If we are all good then bkingx said that he would be willing to do the reg process now. 20:31 < Contrast> I just thought of something... 20:31 < bkingx> Or at least after the meeting.....go ChanServ 20:31 < bkingx> er Contrast 20:32 < Contrast> If we really want to become an approved team, wouldn't it maybe be a bad move registering a domain name with Ubuntu in it before getting Canonical's permission? 20:32 < Contrast> Considering what bkingx pasted, I mean. 20:33 < etank> we can email the trademark team 20:33 < etank> and the web team about it 20:33 < etank> not to beat a dead horse but i just want to make sure we are all a go before we do it. 20:33 < comfurtn> etank: good idea 20:34 < Contrast> I respect that. 20:34 < comfurtn> then there wouldn't be any doubt. 20:34 < bkingx> I don't think it will be a big deal. And if it is, we just sell the name to them. 20:35 < bkingx> Not for profit, of course. 20:35 < Contrast> I don't think it will be either. I'm just trying to think of every possible thing that might go wrong. :-D 20:35 < |{evin> it isn't a big deal.. it's a domain name 20:35 < bkingx> But just to respect their wishes. 20:35 < |{evin> that's like someone trying to take down "countrywidesucks.com" 20:35 < bkingx> OK..I'm in. 20:35 < etank> yeah. I don't want to do anything that may hinder our approval process. 20:35 < Contrast> So we get approval, then register? 20:36 < Contrast> That's my main point, etank. 20:36 < etank> i agree 20:36 < etank> im composing an email right now. 20:36 < |{evin> er, http://www.countrywidehomeloansucks.com Country Wide didn't register the name.. so it's fair game 20:36 < bkingx> LOL...| 20:36 < bkingx> |{evin, 20:37 < bkingx> Let me clarify...permission, not team approval, Right et? 20:37 < etank> right 20:37 < Contrast> Right. 20:37 < Contrast> Sorry, bad word choice on my part. 20:37 < bkingx> Great! Clear as mud! 20:39 < bkingx> OK...so we all agree on ubuntu-kentucky.org and will register after getting permission, right? 20:39 < venomous> hand 20:39 < Contrast> Check. 20:39 < jkeyes0> +1 20:39 montgoej +1 20:40 < comfurtn> affirmative. 20:40 < bkingx> Cool...done deal. etank said he is working on a draft, we'll see where that goes. 20:40 < bkingx> Next topic? 20:41 < bkingx> *** Install Fest / Fiesty release party *** 20:41 < jkeyes0> ASAP. :) 20:41 < bkingx> LOL...Fiesty releases in April 20:41 < etank> message sent. 20:41 < etank> The Kentucky Team would like to have permission to register the domain 20:41 < etank> name ubuntu-kentucky.org. We seek the permission of Ubuntu to use their 20:41 < etank> name in the site. If you would like to see the site please go to 20:41 < etank> http://64.191.174.220/ 20:42 < bkingx> Thanks etank !! 20:42 < jkeyes0> awesome 20:42 < Contrast> Cool. 20:42 < Contrast> Who all has tried Feisty so far? 20:42 < comfurtn> i have. 20:42 < jkeyes0> I upgraded my laptop last night. 20:42 etank is running Feisty at work 20:43 < etank> it is solid so far 20:43 < comfurtn> jkeyes0: everything go alright? 20:43 < Contrast> I'm running it on my laptop. Tried it on my desktop, had problems, switched back to Edgy. 20:43 < jkeyes0> smooth so far, but it's running pretty slow 20:43 < montgoej> I am gonna (hopefully) install it over the weekend 20:43 < etank> there has been some discussion of doing a dry run install fest with just the team members 20:44 < etank> kind of a chance to meet each other and work out the kinks in the install fest process 20:44 < comfurtn> etank: i like the idea 20:44 < bkingx> Install for Drapper? 20:44 < etank> but the big questions are 20:44 < jkeyes0> etank: excellent idae 20:44 < jkeyes0> or... idea 20:44 < etank> when and where 20:44 < montgoej> I like the idea 20:45 < comfurtn> when and where........ hmm... 20:45 < etank> we would need a place that is central to most people and has internet access 20:45 < etank> venomous: how about your place ;) 20:45 < bkingx> If we time the live Install Fest with the Fiesty release, we need to do it in the next month. We only have 1.5 months to release. 20:45 < Contrast> Where's everyone based? 20:45 < jkeyes0> I've heard the lex public library is huge 20:45 < jkeyes0> frankfort 20:45 < bkingx> Lex 20:45 < etank> lex 20:45 < venomous> open to ideas 20:45 < Contrast> Georgetown here. 20:46 < montgoej> I'm in Mercer so I can get to Lex, Frankfort, Louisville, etc. quite easily 20:46 < bkingx> Does the Public lib charge to use a room? 20:46 < comfurtn> west liberty. 20:46 < comfurtn> Lexington is definitely central. 20:46 < bkingx> I agree. 20:46 < bkingx> and not because I live here...LOL 20:46 < Contrast> Sounds logical. 20:47 < montgoej> I say lexington 20:47 < venomous> my place is still available...byob+sfm 20:47 < Contrast> sfm? 20:47 < venomous> Some For Me!!! 20:47 < Contrast> Ohh. Hehe. 20:47 < bkingx> Maybe a garage deal, venomous ? 20:48 < etank> tooooo coooold 20:48 < bkingx> setup some tables? 20:48 < venomous> have you been outside bkingx?? it's freakin' cold! 20:48 < etank> unless its heated 20:48 < bkingx> I can get a propane Mr Heater 20:48 < bkingx> It will burn us out of there! 20:48 < venomous> space heaters, but i've only got two. would still be a bit on the chilly side. 20:48 < |{evin> mine is heated, but my connection blows goat ss 20:49 < etank> i kind of like the idea of venomous's house 20:49 < venomous> bkingx: that'll work 20:49 < Contrast> So are we actually going to be bringing our computers to the dry run to put Feisty on them? 20:49 < montgoej> anyone wanna contact the library. IMHO, people would be mroe likely to come to a place like that than a garage 20:49 < bkingx> But I like venomous' garage! 20:49 < etank> montgoej: this first one is just for the team 20:49 < venomous> montgoej: you're right for a true install fest, but isn't this a dry run install to iron out kinks? 20:49 < montgoej> ok 20:50 < bkingx> venomous +1 20:50 < Contrast> Indifferent. 20:50 < Contrast> :) 20:51 < jkeyes0> a dry run at someone's home wouldn't be a problem. 20:51 < montgoej> Just to give you a heads up: I'm about to leave but I'll be reading the logs online later 20:51 < Contrast> Later, montgoej. 20:51 < bkingx> np montgoej 20:51 < etank> so do we want to try to shoot for a date of around March 17th or so 20:52 < etank> later man 20:52 < jkeyes0> I'm going to see Blue Man Group in louisville on the 17th 20:52 < etank> montgoej: would it help if we had the meetings a little earlier 20:52 < montgoej> March 17 is good 20:52 < bkingx> that may not give us enough time to plan for the public event 20:52 < etank> how about the 24th then? 20:52 < etank> bkingx: we can plan them both at the same time 20:53 < bkingx> Yup...true dat! 20:53 < Contrast> Do you all think two weeks will be enough time for us to overcome any problems we run into at the dry run in time for the real install fest? 20:53 < montgoej> nah having the meetings now is ok, I can always email you if I have something to add in afterwards 20:53 < bkingx> 20:53 < etank> just mail it to the mailing list 20:54 < montgoej> ok 20:54 < Contrast> 2/24 sounds better to me. 20:54 < montgoej> sounds good to me 20:54 < montgoej> I shouldn't have anything going on then 20:54 < etank> that just gives Feisty some more time to mature 20:54 < bkingx> 2/24 or 3/24 20:55 < Contrast> So did they definitely decide to not include proprietary drivers and codecs by default, or is that still up in the air? 20:55 < etank> March 24 20:55 < jkeyes0> from what I've read, no proprietary drivers 20:55 < Contrast> I assumed he meant 2/24, since we felt 3/17 would be too late. ;-) 20:55 < |{evin> they said no 20:55 < etank> nope the drivers and compriz are out 20:55 < Contrast> Awesome. 20:56 < bkingx> OK...then we pencil it in for 3/24 at venomous 20:56 < bkingx> Will confirm by next week 20:56 < etank> if we do the dry run on 3/24 then we can do the Feisty Release party on 4/21 20:56 < bkingx> s meeting 20:56 < Contrast> W32 codecs, libdvdcss? Same thing, or still not sure? 20:56 < etank> haven't heard 20:56 < Contrast> Is that Feisty's release date? 20:56 < venomous> pencil is out....pencil-ing now 20:56 < montgoej> I'm gonna head out, later 20:56 < |{evin> haven't heard on those, I would assume they're out... but easily added in 20:56 < etank> the release is slated for the 19th 20:56 < montgoej!n=montgoej@adsl-80-23-65.bgk.bellsouth.net ["Leaving"] 20:57 < bkingx> Very good! 20:57 < Contrast> Ohh. Well then, 3/24 should leave us with plenty of time. 20:57 < etank> cool 20:57 < Contrast> Any idea how many computers we're planning on having at the dry run? 20:58 < etank> I dont think that we all need to do an install at the dry run 20:58 < etank> unless you want to 20:58 < etank> if you do then just bring whatever machine you want to install on 20:59 < Contrast> Well, which release are we planning on promoting the most at the install fest? 20:59 < etank> Dapper imo 20:59 < bkingx> Dapper 20:59 < |{evin> Dapper or Edgy... Dapper is LTS though 20:59 < bkingx> It's LTS and the CD Distributions 21:00 < etank> or we can give the new user a choice 21:00 < Contrast> Choice is good. 21:00 < etank> we just explain what the difference is 21:00 < etank> we actually can give them a choice of the three 21:01 < venomous> dudes...gotta pull the rip cord. i'm wiped out. i'll read the logs later. etank bkingx might be calling you guys tomorrow for an NT4.0 to 2k3 migration. 21:01 < etank> but try to direct them from Feisty 21:01 < etank> later venomous 21:01 < venomous!i=ven0m0us@gateway/tor/x-152419ddb58bc365 ["(...has pulled the rip cord!)"] 21:01 < Contrast> I think getting Linux virgins to realize how much choice they have can be a big motivator, as opposed to the Windows one-size-fits-all philosophy. 21:02 < etank> i agree 21:02 < bkingx> agree 21:02 < comfurtn> okay guys.. i was on the phone and half-way following along. 21:03 < Contrast> What do we have planned as far as raising awareness for this event? 21:03 < etank> OK then so we all agree that comfurtn is in charge of the whole thing right? 21:03 < etank> :) 21:03 < jkeyes0> of course, and he's bringing 200 pizza's 21:03 < Contrast> +++++1111111111 21:04 < |{evin> mmmm, pizza. 21:04 < jkeyes0> as far as raising awareness.... there are how many of us, 10? if each of us brings 2 people, that's lots of people.. 21:04 < etank> yup 21:04 < comfurtn> sweet... i've been needing to clean out my freezer.. all those pizzas take up space! 21:04 < etank> actually there are 22 members on the team 21:04 < etank> but only half of us are really active 21:05 >>> Zuph!n=bradluys@74-130-215-240.dhcp.insightbb.com 21:05 < bkingx> Sorry guys....gotta put some kids to bed. 21:05 < jkeyes0> (that's what I was getting at, etank) 21:05 < bkingx> I'll read up later too. 21:05 < Zuph> Sorry to be late to the show, so to speak. Dinner ran over. 21:05 < lapjack> hey now 21:05 < lapjack> I'm half-active 21:05 < Contrast> Should've mentioned this earlier, but wouldn't Saturday be a better day for the install fest? 21:05 < Contrast> Later, bkingx. 21:05 < etank> lapjack: |{evin you are 2x active 21:06 < |{evin> I think I'm a clone now... 21:06 < bkingx!n=bkingx@mail.hsgworld.com ["Leaving"] 21:06 < etank> the 24 is a Saturday 21:06 < Zuph> That would be an ideal weekend: my plans just got cancelled. 21:07 < Contrast> I thought 3/24 was the dry run, and you said 4/21 for the install fest/release party? 21:07 < etank> sorry 21:07 < etank> 4/21 is a Saturday too 21:08 < Contrast> No prob. Too many numbers. 21:08 < Contrast> Ohh, whoops. My fault. 21:08 < etank> np 21:09 < Contrast> I never use the KDE calendar. Its "weeks" go from Monday - Sunday. :-\ 21:09 < etank> as far as getting the work out, i'm open to ideas 21:09 < etank> if anyone has a blog, website, the team site, wiki, etc. 21:10 < Contrast> I think the whole Vista pandemonium gives us an opportunity to pull a lot of people into this thing. I'd hate to see that go to waste. 21:10 < etank> Contrast: me too 21:10 >>> Zuph_!n=bradluys@74-130-215-240.dhcp.insightbb.com 21:11 < etank> Zuph: what are you doing? 21:11 < Zuph_> In general or...? 21:11 < etank> two names 21:11 < Zuph_> In general, trying to rectify my crappy connection tonight. 21:11 < etank> ah 21:11 < etank> ok 21:12 < Zuph!n=bradluys@74-130-215-240.dhcp.insightbb.com [Nick collision from services.] 21:12 ~ Zuph_ is now Zuph 21:12 < etank> has anyone else ordered CDs form shipit.ubuntu.com? 21:12 < jkeyes0> I ordered 30, and I've got 15 on-hand 21:12 Zuph raises his hand. 21:12 < Contrast> I just ordered 10. 21:12 < Contrast> I didn't see where you could order more than that? 21:12 < etank> you have to do a custom order 21:13 < Contrast> Ohh ok. I was thinking that was just for certain circumstances. 21:13 < etank> how do you guys distribute the CDs? 21:14 < jkeyes0> I keep a stack of 5-10 at work and hand them out to co-workers (I've got at least 2 other people to start using, and I'm working on at least 2 more) 21:14 < etank> what about placing them in public locations? 21:14 < etank> like the AOL CDs 21:14 < jkeyes0> it would be nice to set that up. put them in wal-mart. :P 21:14 < Zuph> Would be a waste, I think 21:15 < etank> have you guys seen this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=full.jpg? 21:15 < Contrast> I'm thinking the same, Zuph. 21:15 < Zuph> Having worked in places that let people do that, the employees take most of that stuff and never use it. 21:16 < Contrast> That looks like a good resource. 21:16 < etank> I know that the Ohio team has worked with the local libraries to get them to keep some CDs for people to chek out. 21:17 < etank> if they dont return them then nothing lost really 21:17 < jkeyes0> I know if my library had linux CD's when I was in college, I would have gladly partaken 21:18 < Contrast> That's a good idea. Aside from libraries though, I don't think just sitting them out in public places is the best route. 21:19 < jkeyes0> I read on digg a few months ago about someone leaving a bunch at a McDonald's, by the register 21:19 < etank> so is the best approach to hand them out in person then? 21:19 < Zuph> yes. 21:19 < Contrast> +1 21:19 < Zuph> If you're able to talk to someone about the OS and then hand them a CD, it will do much better 21:20 < etank> sounds good to me. 21:20 < Contrast> I'm trying to think of a good place to put flyers... 21:21 < etank> ok then the last thing for tonight is Charity Project updates 21:21 < etank> if there are any at this time 21:21 < comfurtn> i have yet to contact my school board tech people, but several labs were upgraded at the high school last month. 21:21 < Zuph> We need to get a few machines that we can actually tool around with. 21:22 < Contrast> I've got an old computer I think I could bare to part with. 21:22 < comfurtn> i might be able to get hands on the old computer. 21:22 < Zuph> And preferably get together and start working on stuff. 21:22 < comfurtn> *computers 21:22 < comfurtn> Zuph: how did you go about getting computers from the oldham country district? 21:23 < etank> for the install on them we can do an oem install from the alternate cd 21:23 < Zuph> I emailed the DTC asking if they had any old computers they were getting rid of soon, and if I could haul them off for them. 21:23 < Zuph> I worked for the Board of Ed. for a year or so, though, so I had an in. 21:23 < Contrast> What is OEM? I've seen that option when using the text-only installation discs, but I have no idea... 21:24 < |{evin> Original Equipment Manufacturer 21:24 < comfurtn> Zuph: a friend of mine works in the tech department, so i might also have an in. 21:24 < Zuph> cool 21:24 < etank> Contrast: there are some poster ideas on http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/spreadubuntu/ 21:25 < etank> if we have a lot at one time that are the same type we can make one to use to image the othere 21:25 < etank> others 21:26 < Zuph> yeah. PXE boot the machines. 21:26 < Zuph> Once we have an install standardized, we can write up some documentation. 21:26 < Zuph> Then all we have to do is give them away. 21:26 < etank> and find monitors 21:27 < comfurtn> etank: yup 21:27 < Contrast> What's everyone's stance on putting proprietary media codecs on them? My stance is leave them off, but give the end users clear instructions on how to get them installed. 21:27 < comfurtn> any leads on monitors? 21:27 < comfurtn> Contrast: i very much so agree with that. 21:28 < Zuph> Contrast: These computers most likely won't be conected to the internet at all. What we ship on them is what they will have forever. 21:29 < Zuph> So I'm all for shipping them with free as in beer but not free as in speech software, especially if it is superior to the free as speech solutions. 21:29 < Contrast> Then pack in a CD with prop. stuff? Or just put it on there before giving them out? 21:29 < etank> back to the install fest for a sec. I think that we should download some of the videos that the ScreenCast team has made and burn them to CDs. That way the new users can have some videos to watch if they have questions to go along with the paper documentation. 21:29 < Zuph> You have to consider that we're giving computers to people that have probably never owned a computer before. Even very clear instructions might be too obtuse. 21:30 < comfurtn> Considering that some machines might not have access to the internet once they are given away, we should make the system as complete as possible 21:30 < jkeyes0> etank: very nice. hadn't thought about that. 21:30 < Zuph> I'd rather not give them that kind of a "bad" impression in the name of being an open source crusader. 21:30 < Contrast> Point taken. 21:30 < comfurtn> including the stuff might be a good idea. 21:30 < etank> im for including the codecs 21:30 < comfurtn> +1 21:30 < etank> it is one of the first things i install 21:31 < etank> that and build-essentials 21:31 < Contrast> As far as proprietary software that should be preinstalled, what comes to mind besides codecs? 21:31 < Zuph> drivers, where necessary. 21:31 < Contrast> What I'm thinking is we do a repository-on-DVD kind of setup. 21:31 < jkeyes0> acrobat reader? 21:32 < comfurtn> Contrast: good idea... that would give non-internet-connected machines the repositories they need. 21:32 < Contrast> Yeah, and flash-plugin-nonfree, while we're on Adobe. 21:32 < jkeyes0> good one, contrast 21:33 < etank> jkeyes0: nah evince is installed by default 21:33 < Zuph> Contrast: I'd like to ship these systems as complete as possible, so that ideally people wouldn't have to get anything from a repository. 21:33 < etank> flash non-free is good though 21:33 < jkeyes0> haven't used evince. I'll look for it 21:33 < Zuph> Although it isn't a bad idea, per-se. I'm just having trouble thinking of what repositories we would include. 21:33 < Contrast> Zuph, that would be great, but who defines "complete"? 21:33 < etank> if you have opened a pdf in ubuntu then you may have 21:33 < comfurtn> i don't particularly like evince 21:34 < etank> it works though 21:34 < comfurtn> that it does. 21:34 < comfurtn> and would serve our purpose 21:34 < Zuph> Maybe I'm jaded because my computer is always connected to the internet, but aside from whatever drivers and media players are needed, and whatever educational software we find, I don't see many other repositories being necessary. 21:35 < Contrast> Zuph, all the official Ubuntu repo's (multiverse, universe, etc.), plus Canonical's commercial repo? 21:35 < Zuph> No way those would fit on a DVD. Or even a small set of DVDs 21:35 < comfurtn> strike the universe, for sure. 21:35 < Zuph> Presuming all these machines will HAVE dvd players, which they won't 21:35 < jkeyes0> yeah, if there's not going to be a net connection, very few things are really "essential". dvd viewing capability (if there are drives), codecs, openoffice 21:35 < comfurtn> good point. 21:36 < Contrast> I thought I'd heard of those being available on DVD's. But it's a moot point I guess, hadn't thought of that. 21:36 < Zuph> I mean, it's definitely a good idea that we should explore WHEN we get to the point of choosing software to include 21:37 < Contrast> True. 21:37 < Zuph> Unfortunately, without a computer that slow, we don't know what they will and won't run. 21:37 < comfurtn> i have a 533 MHz computer running feisty. 21:37 < Zuph> with GNOME? 21:37 < comfurtn> gnome is usable, but XFCE 4.4 runs much smoother. 21:38 < Zuph> Yeah, I was thinking a stock Xubuntu install with a lot of edubuntu packages. 21:38 < Zuph> And a static copy of wikipedia where possible. 21:38 < Zuph> THAT might be something to include on DVD/CD 21:38 < comfurtn> if you need me to test anything on it, just let me know. 21:38 < Zuph> How friendly is XFCE compared to, say, GNOME, for a computer newbie? 21:39 < Contrast> I honestly see next to no difference between the two in that regard. 21:39 < |{evin> the "desktop" part isn't as intuitive 21:39 < etank> |{evin: i agree 21:39 < |{evin> compared to KDE, Gnome, or Windows 21:39 < |{evin> but it IS a decent gui for lower-end machines 21:39 < Zuph> These people will probably only have windows experience if they have any computer experience, so similarities to that are beneficial. 21:40 < etank> I say as long as the machine will support it we stick with gnome 21:40 < |{evin> In that case, you're looking at KDE... which doesn't do so well on the low end 21:40 < Contrast> I always hear people saying KDE's the most similar to Windows. I'm inclined to agree with them... 21:40 < etank> if we want similarity to Windows then KDE is closer 21:40 < etank> |{evin: beat me to it 21:41 < |{evin> heh 21:41 < Zuph> Gnome is similar enough to be usable, though 21:41 < |{evin> and you thought I wasn't paying attention 21:41 < Contrast> I have Kubuntu running acceptably well on a 800MHz AMD Duron w/ 192MB. 21:41 < Zuph> How much RAM is being gobbled up idle? 21:41 < comfurtn> woa now, i think XFCE does pretty darn well if you give it one panel at the bottom. 21:42 < comfurtn> and 4.4 has a crap-load of improvements. 21:42 < comfurtn> much more polished. 21:42 < etank> comfurtn: i agree 21:42 < Zuph> As soon as I get a spare computer to play with, I'll throw XFCE on it. 21:42 < Contrast> 180MB. LOL 21:42 < Zuph> hah 21:42 < comfurtn> GNOME slows down too much if you start multi-tasking, or for that matter, open two browser windows at once. 21:42 < Contrast> But I can still have 2 or 3 app's running without problems. 21:43 < etank> i have one at work that is about the spead that you say you can get. I will try it tomorrow. 21:43 < Zuph> awesome. 21:43 < Contrast> People always say KDE's a resource hog, and looking strictly at how much RAM is in use at a given moment, they'd be right. I think KDE does a better job of using that RAM than GNOME though. 21:43 < Zuph> It's looking like I'm going to be stuck customizing drupal for the next few weeks :V 21:43 < etank> Is this a topic that would be good for the mailing list? 21:44 < etank> im trying to find a good use for that thing 21:44 < Zuph> haha 21:44 < etank> other than just sending out meeting reminders 21:44 < Zuph> I think the mailing list is best for more general announcements 21:44 < Zuph> Meeting reminders, real life meetings, that sort of thing. 21:44 < etank> darn 21:44 < comfurtn> yeah, i have enuff mailing list clutter the way it is. 21:44 < comfurtn> -_- 21:44 < etank> ok 21:45 < Zuph> And I think that a lot of the charity project discussion would be better suited for a real life meeting, where we can pore over lists of apps and stuff. 21:45 < Contrast> I don't know. I'd say there could be some people who just can't make the meetings, but would be interested in contributing to a charity effort. 21:45 < Contrast> Could be wrong. 21:45 < etank> we do have the thread on the forum 21:45 < comfurtn> i'm one of those. 21:46 < etank> anyone can feel free to start a mailing list thread :) 21:46 < Contrast> People don't always check that as often as their e-mail though. 21:47 < Zuph> I dunno, my big thing with the real life meetings for the charity project is the fact that it will need people out in the field to distribute PCs, install software, that sort of thing 21:47 < Zuph> And the more cohesive our effort, the better we look. 21:48 >>> zenwhen!n=troy@ubuntu/member/zenwhen 21:48 < comfurtn> so, has anyone come up with ideas for obtaining monitors? 21:48 < etank> Zuph: I agree. Does anyone else have anything more to add? If not I say we adjurn the meeting. 21:48 < comfurtn> it is, in theory, a cost we can leave to the people receiving the computer. 21:49 < Contrast> Agreed. I'm not talking about in-depth interaction through e-mail, just something as simple as, "If you or anyone you know has a computer they're not using, let them know about our charity event." 21:49 < |{evin> Advocate Messenger in Danville had a bunch they were looking to get rid of 21:49 < Contrast> I don't like the idea of that, personally. 21:49 < Zuph> comfurtn: I'd rather be able to provide these people complete systems, even if it has a crappy yellowed monitor that's older than some of our members. 21:49 < Contrast> Leaving the monitors to the user, I mean. 21:49 < comfurtn> i agree... i didn't say i supported the idea. 21:50 < jkeyes0> we could always check goodwill. usually they have some smaller monitors from 5-15$ 21:50 < Contrast> Cool. :-D 21:50 < etank> Contrast: i agree. i think that we need to give them a complete system 21:50 < Zuph> CRTs shouldn't be terribly hard to find, anyway. 21:50 < Zuph> I mean, I'll front cash for a $10 monitor if need be 21:50 < zenwhen!n=troy@ubuntu/member/zenwhen [Client Quit] 21:50 < Zuph> Maybe not the cash for 60 such monitors, but you guys get the idea. 21:50 < comfurtn> just checking... they're hard to come by in little towns like west liberty, though. 21:50 < jkeyes0> I'll check my local goodwill (and if I can make it down there, I'll check the georgetown one as well). I can pick up several if they have them. 21:50 >>> zenwhen!n=troy@74-140-154-82.dhcp.insightbb.com 21:51 < Contrast> I'll save you the trip to Georgetown, jkeyes0. :) 21:51 < etank> wb zenwhen 21:51 < zenwhen!n=troy@ubuntu/member/zenwhen [Client Quit] 21:51 < jkeyes0> very nice, thanks Contrast! 21:51 < Contrast> I'm literally two minutes from Goodwill. 21:51 < jkeyes0> I went to g-town college a few years ago 21:51 >>> zenwhen!n=troy@74-140-154-82.dhcp.insightbb.com 21:52 < Contrast> What year? 21:52 < jkeyes0> 2000-2003 (december) 21:52 < |{evin> My brother in law works for a certain auto place there... maybe they have some to ditch :) 21:52 < Contrast> Oh ok. 21:53 < etank> Is everyone up for adjurning the meeting? I think we got a lot covered tonight. 21:53 < jkeyes0> sounds good 21:53 < comfurtn> +1 21:53 < Contrast> Agreed 21:53 < |{evin> ++ 21:54 < Zuph> aye. 21:54 < etank> great. I will post the logs on the wiki and link them on the **New Site** 21:54 < jkeyes0> thanks, etank }}}