## page was renamed from Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Logs/2006-07-19 ## page was renamed from MeetingLogs/Edubuntu_2006-07-19 #title Edubuntu Meeting Log 2006-07-19 <> = Meeting July 19, 2006 = == Technical == Present : RichEd, ogra, highvoltage, HedgeMage, cbx33, AliasVegas, Mithrandir, LaserJock, mhz, rodarvus, Riddell, Burgwork, peterretief * '''ogra''' - Announces the first knot-1 CD milestone for edubuntu * '''cbx33''' - Asks for people to try grasynco, for syncing up the rsync repo of the iso images * '''ogra''' - Notes the ltsp tarball builder script is almost done * '''LaserJock''' - Enquired as to the status of specs * '''ogra''' - Stated that SCP is behind schedule, and that ltspfs isn't started yet == Documentation == * '''HedgeMage''' - Announces the cookbook was renamed to the Edubuntu Handbook * '''highvoltage''' - Asked how we should go about getting docs on help.ubuntu.com * '''ogra''' - Stated that all the wiki docs are there, but suffer from a slow redirect * '''cbx33''' - Asked if the ssl certificate for edubuntu would be fixed * '''Riddell''' - Replied it had been requested, but may need another prod * '''highvoltage''' - Mentioned there was an edubuntu section on doc.ubuntu.com, and that the ESA was already there * '''cbx33''' - Asked if ES could go onto help.ubuntu.com and '''highvoltage''' agreed * '''mhz''' - Said he was working on translating the ESA into Spanish == Artwork == * '''AliasVegas''' - Asked for a one liner from each person on what they did not like about dapper theme and what they want to see in edgy, which was agreed by all to be a great idea * '''cbx33''' - Enquired whether there could be an edubuntu-artwork Mailing list * '''highvoltage''' - Mentioned there were 20 people on the edubuntu-artwork team on LP * '''AliasVegas''' - Also asked for a meeting with everyone to discuss artwork * '''AliasVegas''' - Also noted she would send a mail out requesting help to the ubuntu-artwork ML * '''mhz''' - Expressed an interest in creating more artwork, posters, banners, tee-shirts etc == Community == * '''RichEd''' - Is the Education Programme Manager, and stated his aim, to get as many people using linux as possible * '''cbx33''' - Asked if we could come up with some edubuntu literature, like a pack * '''RichEd''' - Stated he has a meeting with Mark, in the week Aug1, and will bring all ideas up then {{{ 10:02 ogra ok, lets go :) === cbx33 starts running round the meeting room 10:03 cbx33 oh you mean the meeting.... 10:03 ogra not much on the tech side as usual :) 10:03 ogra we have a knot 1 milestone CD 10:03 highvoltage the first knot is tied, right? 10:03 cbx33 w00t 10:03 highvoltage :) 10:03 ogra which in fact took me since friday to get everything right 10:03 highvoltage anyone install it yet? 10:03 cbx33 not yet 10:04 ogra but now we have something we can break 10:04 ogra muhahaha 10:04 highvoltage mhuhaha === cbx33 volunteers to break things === ogra pokes rodarvus with an evil look in his eyes 10:04 Mithrandir knot-1 is all but released, yet. That is, I'll release it tomorrow morning, since I've drunk something closer to a bottle of wine now and I don't think I should futz around with cd images then. :-P === soviet [i=www-data@208.195.214.137] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:04 Mithrandir s/yet/yes/ 10:04 ogra Mithrandir, well, it wont change anymore :) 10:04 ogra enjoy your wine :) === highvoltage will download tomorrow 10:05 cbx33 and the hangover 10:05 Mithrandir ogra: true. :-) === dan_young [n=dyoung@fw13x.mesd.k12.or.us] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:05 ogra highvoltage, keep the iso around so you can try cbx33's gui sync tool ;) 10:05 cbx33 I was gonna mention that 10:05 cbx33 if anyone is interested in beta testing grasynco === mhz wanna plays with it too! 10:05 rodarvus hi 10:05 rodarvus sorry 10:05 cbx33 it's on REVU at the moment 10:06 ogra soo ... apart from that there is not much n the tech side ... 10:06 rodarvus I was concentrated updating libx11 10:06 cbx33 and also on LP 10:06 highvoltage ogra: i intend to do that! === rodarvus reads the backlog 10:06 cbx33 may I ask you all to keep a backup of the isos....just in case 10:06 ogra the ltsp tarball builder script is nearly done ... 10:06 cbx33 :D 10:06 HedgeMage :) 10:06 cbx33 unless you don;t mind downloading again 10:06 highvoltage cbx33: just beware, I'm quite crazy with feature requests, just ask ogra :) 10:06 ogra the first try can be seen on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-tarballs/ 10:07 cbx33 highvoltage, that's cool 10:07 cbx33 I'll try to accomodate 10:07 ogra highvoltage, heh, yes, you are (sometimes :) ) 10:07 LaserJock where are we with specs? 10:07 highvoltage ogra: have ltsp upsream made any announcement yet? 10:07 ogra LaserJock, SCP is still lacking some love, i'll jump on that tomorrow ... === cbx33 will be jumping on that too 10:08 ogra highvoltage, nope, the system needs to run automatically 10:08 cbx33 but I'll wait till ogra has finished 10:08 cbx33 otherwise people may talk :p 10:08 LaserJock ogra: LTSP specs are looking good? 10:08 ogra what you see on the url is the first test run 10:08 highvoltage ogra: what would be the difference between those tarballs ans a standard Edubuntu ltsp chroot? 10:08 ogra LaserJock, well, the udeb is ready now to add the dhcp stuff ... SCP isnt approved yet but i had no time to fix stuff, mdz is notified 10:08 highvoltage ogra: are they mostly the same so far? 10:09 ogra ltspfs stuff isnt started yet 10:09 LaserJock k 10:09 ogra highvoltage, they are 100% the same 10:09 HedgeMage If anyone's interested, we are planning a meeting for Edubuntu Handbook (formerly Cookbook) Friday at 21:30 (just scheduled, so may not be on fridge yet, I'll post to the mailing lists momentarily) 10:09 ogra but we'll have arch specific ones ;) 10:09 highvoltage ok. so no need to download then. 10:09 ogra HedgeMage, docs are next 10:10 HedgeMage ogra: oops, sorry 10:10 ogra highvoltage, nope, but if you ever want powerpc clients you can just grab the tarball ;) 10:10 highvoltage ogra: i'll keep that in mind! 10:10 ogra no need for fiddling around with nfs exports 10:10 ogra i'll probably make an installer package that downloads and unpacks it 10:11 highvoltage with a cbx33 front-end? 10:11 ogra so you can install ltsp-multiarch-powerpc 10:11 highvoltage *g* 10:11 ogra heh 10:11 cbx33 highvoltage, if you really really want it :p 10:11 ogra or ltsp-multiarch-sparc ;) 10:11 highvoltage cbx33: of course :) 10:11 cbx33 dang it :p 10:11 ogra highvoltage, well, that should be an extra tab in ltsp-manager rather :) 10:12 highvoltage cbx33: the LTSP people would love that 10:12 ogra soo ... 10:12 cbx33 highvoltage, wanna mail me a brief outline 10:12 ogra thats all from the tech side for this week ... i have noting t addd 10:12 cbx33 sometime and I'll see what I can dig up 10:12 ogra documentation ? 10:12 highvoltage cbx33: sure, we can chat about it tomorrow on #edubuntu, then send to the mailing list and get some larger input 10:12 cbx33 sure 10:13 cbx33 we can build it onto ogras ltsp manager 10:13 ogra HedgeMage, the CookBook was renamed ? 10:13 highvoltage cool. 10:13 HedgeMage ogra: yep, at our last meeting. 10:13 ogra HedgeMage, tell us about it, since not everyone was there :) 10:13 mhz please 10:14 HedgeMage ogra: Since it's not quite a cookbook format any more, we decided to vote for a new title... people posted suggestions to the wiki and our last meeting was a vote 10:14 HedgeMage it's now the "Edubuntu Handbook" 10:14 ogra great 10:14 cbx33 :D 10:14 HedgeMage Same fun stuff, new title :) 10:14 mhz EHB 10:15 highvoltage i think it's a good idea, merely because it will eliminate confusion about all the previous cookbook attempts :) 10:15 cbx33 I agree 10:15 ogra yup 10:15 mhz yup 10:15 HedgeMage That's the icing on the cake :) 10:15 rodarvus heh 10:15 highvoltage lol 10:15 mhz and it will be more 'handy' :D 10:16 HedgeMage Anyhow, we have a meeting on Friday, wiki info is at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuHandbook 10:16 ogra btw LaserJock was praised in http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1990777,00.asp :) 10:16 highvoltage also on documentation, does anyone know what the best way is, and whether we should, get the edubuntu docs on http://help.ubuntu.com? 10:16 HedgeMage I haven't updated the meeting page yet since this was scheduled literally 5 minutes ago :) 10:16 cbx33 highvoltage, I talked with mdke about that a while ago 10:16 ogra highvoltage, all wiki docs are there already 10:16 highvoltage all the other official ubuntu distros docs are there, I think Edubuntu should be there too, since people would ask. 10:16 cbx33 you need permissions to create new pages 10:17 highvoltage ogra: it's not listed on the front page: http://help.ubuntu.com 10:17 ogra oh 10:17 ogra but they imported all our pages ... i have a painful slow redirect for nearly every wikipage 10:17 cbx33 is anything going to be done about the ssl certificate on the wiki? 10:17 ogra i dont think so 10:18 cbx33 grrr 10:18 ogra i could raise it agan ... but paied certs are not the best topic to dicuss with mark somehow :) 10:18 highvoltage yes, I think I'll ping mdke this weekend and ask if he could add an Edubuntu section on the frontpage of help. 10:18 mhz it is not wiki's fault (not moin) 10:18 cbx33 ok 10:18 cbx33 mhz, I know 10:18 cbx33 ogra, ok cool 10:18 ogra mhz, we have bought one afaik, but thats limited to ubuntu.com 10:18 cbx33 highvoltage, yes good idea 10:19 mhz grr! 10:19 mhz :) 10:19 highvoltage that's ironic. 10:19 cbx33 I'll do the same, as I'm owed a creatoin account on help.ubuntu.com i think :p === peterretief [n=peter@PET-181740-C-112-30.saoldsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:19 LaserJock highvoltage: we would have to ship something to put it in help.ubuntu.com 10:19 mhz but, isn't markie related to Certificates? 10:19 highvoltage LaserJock: does it need to be in a certain format? 10:19 ogra Riddell, do you know anything about the certs ? i know you asked about them 10:19 peterretief highvoltage: hi 10:20 LaserJock highvoltage: those docs are created from the doc team svn repo 10:20 highvoltage mhz: it's how he made his money :) 10:20 highvoltage hi peterretief 10:20 mhz yeah, hence my point 10:20 Riddell ogra: filed an rt request, not heard anything back, feel free to poke harder 10:20 ogra mhz, quote: "i've seen enough certs in my life" 10:20 HedgeMage lol 10:21 rodarvus :) 10:21 ogra Riddell, rt # ? 10:21 mhz lol 10:21 Riddell ogra: no idea, it was ages ago 10:21 highvoltage LaserJock: we could probably get someone from docteam to help us out? there should be some people who are common in edubuntu-doc and ubuntu-doc that I'm sure would assist. 10:21 ogra Riddell, lol, ok 10:21 LaserJock highvoltage: umm, jerome and I are happy to help 10:21 cbx33 highvoltage, what about jerome === ogra doubts we'll get one :) 10:22 highvoltage LaserJock: excellent :) 10:22 LaserJock highvoltage: edubuntu school advocacy is already on doc.ubuntu.com 10:22 cbx33 is it ? 10:22 cbx33 crikey 10:22 LaserJock highvoltage: mdke made an Edubuntu css 10:22 mhz is it??? === cbx33 must have missed that one 10:22 ogra wasnt that renamed ? 10:22 highvoltage great. so it just needs a link from the home page. 10:22 LaserJock yes, I had them make an Edubuntu section 10:22 LaserJock doc.ubuntu.com 10:23 LaserJock on the right there is an Edubuntu section 10:23 highvoltage doc.ubuntu.com is meant for work in progress, right? 10:23 cbx33 I see 10:23 LaserJock yes 10:23 LaserJock doc.ubuntu.com represents our svn repo 10:23 highvoltage ESA is completed, isn't it? 10:23 cbx33 is there the possibility of ESA making it onto help.ubuntu.com? === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D999C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:24 cbx33 or is that not the place for it? 10:24 mhz lovely http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html 10:24 highvoltage cbx33: thinking the same thing here :) 10:24 LaserJock help.ubuntu.com has what has been shipped 10:24 ogra wow, esa is impressive 10:24 highvoltage i think ESA should be on help.ubuntu.com as well. 10:24 LaserJock we have a doc team meeting on Friday 10:24 cbx33 we try ogra :p 10:24 LaserJock I can ask 10:24 cbx33 thanks LaserJock 10:25 LaserJock so far we have only put the docs that were shipped on CD on help.ubuntu.com 10:25 ogra highvoltage, it is 10:25 Burgwork I have a half finished case study, using some of the stuff from esa 10:25 cbx33 the ESA gets everywhere 10:25 highvoltage ogra: i can't find it 10:26 ogra wow ... your doc work is massively impressive guys :) === mhz is happy some folks will have no excuse to translate ESA into spanish now 10:26 ogra highvoltage, the link mhz pasted 10:26 cbx33 yes please 10:26 LaserJock so from the doc team's perspective I think we are ready to go, we just need content 10:26 mhz highvoltage: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html 10:26 highvoltage ogra: that's on doc.ubuntu.com, not on help.ubuntu.com 10:26 cbx33 I passed the esa to RichEd to pass onto the canonical marketting dept 10:26 mhz highvoltage: yeah, good point 10:26 ogra highvoltage, aww, now i understand 10:26 ogra cbx33, good ! 10:26 RichEd yep ... got it open .. will review & coment 10:26 mhz please, not redirections this time 10:27 mhz ;) 10:27 cbx33 RichEd, if you want my page mockups feel free to take those 10:27 RichEd okay 10:27 cbx33 they were a mock of what the pamphlet could look like 10:27 cbx33 hang on I'll grab a link 10:28 cbx33 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy 10:28 cbx33 ignore everything on the page 10:28 cbx33 apart from the 4 images at the bottom 10:28 LaserJock hehe 10:28 ogra heh 10:28 RichEd tx 10:28 cbx33 I'll delete it I think 10:28 mhz cbx33: where's the mockup? 10:28 cbx33 down the very bottom 10:29 mhz oh, still downloading 10:29 mhz thx 10:29 cbx33 sorry 10:29 cbx33 that was our wip page 10:29 mhz cbx33: nice mockup idea 10:29 cbx33 ESA started like that before any text was written really :p 10:30 HedgeMage :) 10:30 LaserJock anyway, if anybody wants docs to go on doc.ubuntu.com (and eventually help.ubuntu.com) please let the doc team or at least jerome or I know 10:30 mhz cbx33: I am working on one for Chile (with Chilean colors) 10:30 highvoltage LaserJock: ok 10:30 highvoltage sounds like doc discussion is quieting down? 10:30 ogra well, then lets move on 10:31 ogra aaaaaaartwork 10:31 ogra whoops 10:31 mhz that KBD! 10:31 mhz ;) 10:31 highvoltage i think you missed an 'a' there 10:31 AliasVegas Hi everyone 10:31 ogra heh, i'm not 100% used to it yet :) 10:31 mhz AliasVegas: hi 10:31 highvoltage hi AliasVegas. just in time :) 10:31 ogra hey AliasVegas nice to see you ! 10:31 HedgeMage hi AliasVegas 10:31 AliasVegas I'm really glad that so many people like the edubuntu wallpaper that I did, and I think it's crucial to build on the success of that in the edgy release. 10:32 ogra yay === HedgeMage wants to request that someone with more talent than HedgeMage start thinking about appropriate cover art for the Handbook 10:32 mhz HedgeMage: I can propose something 10:32 AliasVegas Yeah, I'll see what I can do if you want 10:32 highvoltage AliasVegas: I've set you as administrator on the artwork team, sorry, should have done that earlier :) === mhz is forced to have more time now 10:32 AliasVegas What I thought we could do, to make a quick start is just ask for a single line from everyone on what they dislike about the dapper theme (if anything), but to be precise. Not just, I don't like the chalkboard, but why don't you like the chalkboard, too commercial etc? 10:33 ogra AliasVegas, great idea ! 10:33 mhz AliasVegas: yeah 10:33 AliasVegas Then just another single line about what you would like to see in edgy? 10:33 HedgeMage good idea, AliasVegas :) 10:33 ogra yup 10:33 highvoltage AliasVegas: I didn't like the orange hilight in the gtk theme. 10:33 AliasVegas I was going to then work from these to collate a plan on how we should proceed with the new themes and artwork. I have some initial ideas, but I don't want to develop them if there are elements which are not going to work or be to peoples liking. 10:33 cbx33 I'll start noting these down 10:33 ogra highvoltage, by mail :) 10:33 cbx33 heheh 10:33 AliasVegas thanks 10:34 cbx33 mail would be better 10:34 highvoltage oh yes, of course :) 10:34 HedgeMage Don't like: The green chalkboard thing clashes with our red gtk-theme, lacking theme-coordinating icons for some apps I like 10:34 AliasVegas ok 10:34 highvoltage to edubuntu-devel? or to AliasVegas? 10:34 ogra so could anyone who wants to participate say +1 so i know whom i have to nag ? ;) 10:34 ogra +1 10:34 rodarvus edubuntu-users wouild be best I think 10:34 highvoltage +1 10:34 rodarvus AliasVegas: nice idea, btw 10:34 cbx33 um, could we have edubuntu-artwork ? 10:34 rodarvus +1 10:35 cbx33 mailing list ? 10:35 peterretief +1 10:35 mhz +1 10:35 cbx33 would that be useful? 10:35 highvoltage cbx33: i've thought about it before, I think it's at the stage where it's ready for it 10:35 ogra cbx33, how many people would we have on there ? 10:35 cbx33 anyone with an interest in artwork I'm presuming right AliasVegas ? 10:35 rodarvus not sure if edubuntu-artwork mailinig list would have critical mass 10:35 LaserJock I would think -devel and -users would be sufficent 10:35 highvoltage there are 20 people in launchpad who have volunteered to contribute to artwork 10:35 ogra cbx33, i want a number :) 10:35 rodarvus in other words, would probably become a semi-dead mailing list 10:35 highvoltage they would all be added to the new list 10:35 highvoltage that's already a good start. 10:36 AliasVegas yeah 10:36 cbx33 Hmm.... 10:36 highvoltage those who do not wish to be part can then be de-activated from the team. 10:36 mhz yeah 10:36 highvoltage https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-artwork/+members 10:36 cbx33 I just wonder that in order to get the artowrk team off the ground, they should have their own ML? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:36 cbx33 just my 2 cents 10:36 mhz or.. keep using -devel but adding [ART] 10:36 mhz on subject 10:36 mhz just my 2 cents 10:37 mhz eek, we have 4 cents! 10:37 ogra cbx33, i will need to give an estimated number of initial subscribers ... its not useful to have a list for 10 people ... 10:37 highvoltage i wonder if everyone on the launchapd team would be willing to subscribe to edubuntu-devel, we could probably try and ask them 10:38 cbx33 I get so much spam from that channel? 10:38 highvoltage ogra: we already have at least 20 people! :) 10:38 highvoltage cbx33: no you don't 10:38 highvoltage cbx33: you get admin requests ;) 10:38 cbx33 i get spam too 10:38 mhz cbx33: BTW, I have no logs regarding pwd for ML admin tasks, could you PM it to me, please? 10:38 cbx33 sure 10:39 ogra highvoltage, well, i havent seen much new artwork during dapper, that was more widespread in breezy 10:39 ogra the quality raised immensely though :) 10:39 mhz ogra: AliasVegas is in town now ;) 10:39 ogra yeah ! :) 10:39 AliasVegas I want to setup an edubuntu-artwork meeting, for anyone who has any interest in artwork/themes to come along to, so we can really start to brainstorm and get the process moving. If anyone has some suggestions about times that would be great ;) 10:39 highvoltage ogra: i think the announcement that canonical would use a paid-for company for artwork killed things a bit, imho :/ 10:40 ogra but still ... she will surely need support ... 10:40 cbx33 highvoltage, I agree 10:40 ogra highvoltage, yep 10:40 mhz AliasVegas: i have a couple of suggestions but based on my UTC 10:40 ogra highvoltage, but it was like that before as well ... 10:40 mhz (my TZ) 10:40 ogra just that nobody announced it before :) 10:40 cbx33 does this kinda time suit mhz ? 10:41 mhz cbx33: nope 10:41 cbx33 12 UTC? 10:41 mhz 11 UTC 10:41 highvoltage ogra: i beg to differ, if you go to art.ubuntu.com, you'll see quite a few wallpapers that were made for breezy, some of them not too bad 10:41 mhz so I can be before leaving house 10:41 mhz cbx33: or 23 UTC 10:41 mhz :D 10:41 ogra highvoltage, http://art.ubuntu.com/ 10:41 ogra its down 10:41 cbx33 23 UTC.... 10:42 cbx33 AliasVegas, will be in bed then 10:42 cbx33 :p 10:42 AliasVegas lol 10:42 mhz highvoltage: yeah, like the darkones I did because I prefer black for kids :D 10:42 cbx33 we can discuss times later 10:42 highvoltage ogra: click on "Edubuntu" on the right. it still works 10:42 ogra oh no its redesigned :P 10:42 highvoltage http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/ 10:42 ogra yep 10:42 AliasVegas I'm also going to post a notice to the ubuntu-artwork mailing list explaining where we are at this stage and ask for volunteers to help edubuntu in this release. 10:42 mhz cbx33: then , we could rotate ;) 10:42 ogra i know them, i added most of them there 10:42 cbx33 sure mhz 10:42 cbx33 I'm sure AliasVegas would be ok with that 10:43 mhz cbx33: if meetings are weekly, 3 or 4 diff UTCs is good 10:43 AliasVegas 2 sounds good 10:43 AliasVegas like edubuntu 10:43 mhz cbx33: the thing is I am looking for a job now, so most likely is I wont have time for IRC during working hours ;( 10:43 AliasVegas ogra, can I ask, how much are we at liberty to change in this release, just wallpapers/splashes, or icons, theme colours too? cbx33 was talking to me about the work he was doing on his new ubrander project, and I wondered how much gtk-rc editing had been done in the past? 10:43 highvoltage ogra: all of those wallpapers in art.ubuntu.com came from the breezy release cycle 10:44 AliasVegas fair enough :) 10:44 ogra AliasVegas, i'm sure it must be done in communication with the artteam ... 10:44 ogra so that we have a recognizable ubuntu look for all distros ... 10:45 mhz .oO(hmmm, the *buntu look) 10:45 AliasVegas ok that sounds cool 10:45 ogra a kind of CI 10:45 AliasVegas Not much more to say really, I'm conscious of the time factors involved and have just finished some of my paid freelance work, so I should have some more time to devote to getting the ball rolling here. 10:45 ogra but we'll surely have freedom about colors, icons splash screens gdm login theme bootsplash etc 10:45 AliasVegas ok :) 10:46 ogra there is only some small gtkrc editing been doneby me 10:46 ogra mostly adjusting colors 10:47 ogra (based on a completely different orange wallpaper btw) 10:47 AliasVegas right 10:47 mhz AliasVegas: i am VERY interested in creating 'artwork' for Stands (posters, stuff to hang -no idea about english name for it , stand look, etc) 10:47 cbx33 mhz, cool 10:48 mhz and all related to merchandising 10:48 mhz Edubuntu based, of course 10:48 cbx33 I'd need that if BETT2007 went ahead 10:48 HedgeMage that's awesome, mhz 10:48 AliasVegas Posters sounds like a cool idea 10:48 ogra mhz, ++ === cbx33 imagines darting around town on his blades putting up edubuntu posters all around town 10:48 mhz yeah, Teachers loved the idea of having Edubuntu T-Shirts for Labs 10:48 cbx33 then getting nicked by the rozzers :p 10:48 HedgeMage hehe cbx33 10:49 mhz and then I thought about Posters for Edubuntu Labs (with messages for the users) 10:49 AliasVegas I love the idea of t-shirts 10:49 ogra yep 10:49 cbx33 mhz, heheh.... "Got root....no...cos if you did you'd break things" 10:49 mhz lol 10:49 cbx33 I think I just found my new tagline :p 10:49 ogra but posters at least for booths would be grreat 10:49 highvoltage cbx33: they can have root on the ro local filesystem :) 10:50 cbx33 hahaha 10:50 cbx33 give them the illusion 10:50 ogra heh 10:50 mhz yeah, we need promo material so people (human beings) know Edubuntu is not just an OS, it is meant for "YOU" 10:50 cbx33 awww 10:50 ogra ogra, time is almost up ... 10:50 HedgeMage :) 10:50 ogra err 10:50 cbx33 what about some fluffy Eft soft toys 10:50 ogra i wrote ok ... 10:50 highvoltage flint said that we have done a good job at keeping edubuntu secret. 10:50 ogra stupid autocompletion 10:50 mhz www.openpuppets.com === cbx33 has always had a vision 10:51 highvoltage so getting edubuntu out there is perhaps something everyone should work on. 10:51 ogra highvoltage, bah, flint said also that k12 doesnt like us :) 10:51 cbx33 we need someone to streak a major sporting event wearing nothing but ubuntu logos :p 10:51 cbx33 get us on the TV 10:51 highvoltage ogra: point taken :) 10:51 RichEd i'm willing to take marketing suggestions forward : richard.edubuntu@gmail.com === mhz got Edubuntu on TV in Chile 10:51 cbx33 highvoltage, I totally agree....hence my initial creation of ESA 10:51 mhz and a couple of magazines too 10:51 ogra right 10:52 ogra next topic management :) 10:52 ogra since you are already at promotion 10:52 RichEd especially those that take it out of the "hobbyist" space into mainstream 10:53 RichEd well perhaps an intro from me ? 10:53 LaserJock that would be nice :-) 10:53 ogra if you like :) 10:53 highvoltage RichEd: sounds like no one is objecting ;) 10:53 RichEd Mark has just appointed me as "Education Programme Manager" last week ... to be client & relationship facing 10:53 ogra i also have something ... for the management side later 10:54 HedgeMage RichEd: welcome :) 10:54 RichEd The way I see it is that you guys are building a great eductional vehicle ... 10:54 cbx33 :) 10:54 mhz RichEd: oh, you are the one!! 10:54 highvoltage RichEd: yes, welcome again 10:54 RichEd and my job is to get as many people adopting it a possible. 10:54 RichEd I've been in the Education space with HP for 3 years 10:54 RichEd Schools, education departments etc. 10:54 cbx33 give me an external scsi hdd and I'll have an ltsp server running at the school :p 10:55 RichEd And seen lots of the "soft factors" that hamper adoption 10:55 RichEd "we don't have budget to train in MS and Linux" 10:55 mhz hehehe 10:55 LaserJock Universities!! 10:55 RichEd "we don't have enough tech support" 10:55 highvoltage RichEd: this would be internationally, right? 10:56 RichEd so we need to build a compelling case for "overcoming the human hurdles" 10:56 RichEd yep ... international ... 10:56 RichEd So I am here to help ... not interfere ;) 10:57 mhz RichEd: thx, then I have lots of stuff tu bug you with 10:57 ogra RichEd, we'll gain some ground in germany soon it seems ... :) 10:57 LaserJock awesome, thanks. I should be fun 10:57 RichEd And will try to take ideas from the community ..., as well as requests from "the clients" 10:57 LaserJock s/I/It/ shesh 10:57 RichEd And put them in front of the people who can make it happen. === HedgeMage nods === cbx33 notes he is a client as well :p 10:57 ogra i had another call from the guy that is affiliated with the minisrty of education and arts of bayern ... 10:57 highvoltage we're going to cover *lots* of ground in .za from Inkululeku === RichEd sits down again 10:57 RichEd ogra: great 10:58 highvoltage it's probably no 'edubuntu' stricktly, because we currently use Xfce 10:58 ogra looks like he has arranged stuff like TV interviews etc 10:58 mhz highvoltage: me too! :D 10:58 ogra in september ... 10:58 highvoltage but we're going to sign up as official ubuntu partner, so i guess it would count as official. 10:58 ogra we'll need to talk since he wants me to represent 10:58 RichEd brb 15 secs 10:58 cbx33 highvoltage, what does that entail?> 10:58 cbx33 the partner thing? 10:58 mhz RichEd: well, we have a very agressive insertion plan this year for Chile, so I'd better sum it up and email it to you 10:59 RichEd mhz: please yes 10:59 highvoltage cbx33: http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/become 10:59 RichEd jsgotangco also has some exciting stuff happenng in Philipines 10:59 cbx33 RichEd, is there the possibility of coming up with a "pack" to send to educational iministers etc 10:59 RichEd (apart from an active volcano close to his house spewing lava) 10:59 cbx33 about edubuntu> 10:59 mhz lol 11:00 RichEd cbx33: Mark has asked me to get "a directed education message" set up ... === teolemon [n=famille@car75-5-82-234-128-149.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:00 RichEd web site & pdf 11:00 RichEd for exactly that purpose 11:00 cbx33 cool 11:00 cbx33 esa could be useful there Lp 11:00 cbx33 :p 11:01 RichEd We also have a reporter in India who is pushing for Ubuntu / 6Eubuntu as a C development teaching platform in 60 schools 11:01 ogra nice ! 11:01 RichEd With a route into showing the local govt. how to do it ... and avoid the MS win & sql licence fees 11:02 mhz yeah, this is the Year of Edubuntu 11:02 cbx33 RichEd, yeh see this is what we nned 11:02 cbx33 mhz, I agree 11:02 RichEd And he has a Post Grad student in Florida who is a sidebar assistant 11:02 RichEd So lots of opportunity to mine. 11:03 ogra sounds very cool === cbx33 is thinking about drafting some letters to the Educational authorities in UK === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:03 cbx33 RichEd, that pack would be useful :p 11:03 mhz cbx33: ESA has lots of the arguments we'd need 11:03 cbx33 yes 11:03 RichEd Note also that I hope to use my relationship with HP Education Country managers (Europe & ZA & Africa) to try to push Edubuntu 11:03 cbx33 excellent 11:04 cbx33 RichEd, how viable do you think BETT2007 is? 11:04 RichEd (in their solution deals) as well as for Student OEM offerings 11:04 highvoltage RichEd: would be nice if you could round them all up again ;) === HedgeMage nods 11:04 HedgeMage RichEd: Any notes/news about the US? 11:04 RichEd As I said earlier cbx33 : we have some routes of least resistance ... like india etc. so not sure if the "money people" will be keen on "ad spend" 11:04 RichEd Versus applied project spend 11:05 mhz RichEd: in Chile and other countries we're getting together to form the Institute of Free Software for Latinamerica. Edubuntu is the king in such realms 11:05 cbx33 if we're going to shower the auths with details they must see us ..... in the field like everyone else 11:05 cbx33 RichEd, I understand 11:05 cbx33 on a side note, did that spreadsheet seem ok? 11:05 RichEd But will table all suggestions when I have to present a plan to Mark in week 1 Aug in London 11:06 RichEd I'll try to cover all bases in suggestions ... but he will probably direct resource & money priorities 11:06 cbx33 sure 11:06 RichEd cbx33: looks good on first pass ... will revise & comment 11:06 cbx33 ok cool 11:07 RichEd cbx33 and I will set up a template for "conference funding requests" so the foramt is consistent when we ask for $ 11:07 cbx33 yes 11:07 RichEd that's all from me for now. 11:07 highvoltage ogra 11:07 cbx33 we at time up aren't we? 11:08 highvoltage ogra said he had something to say 11:08 RichEd mhz: please send details re South America :) 11:08 AliasVegas remember everyone... email me you artwork comments! :) 11:08 ogra highvoltage, i already did 11:08 highvoltage oh ok :) 11:08 ogra highvoltage, we'll probably get in german TV 11:08 highvoltage aah 11:08 mhz sure, RichEd. In fact, I sent about 5 emails to Mark telling what is going on, and that we needed help...no response. 11:09 ogra with some additional advantage of a bunch of schools in byern switching to edubuntu :) 11:09 ogra *bayern 11:09 mhz RichEd: politically it is the time for being agressive in LAm, so is the time for market 11:09 RichEd mhz: i think i'm supposed to help him with this ... filter & digest & consolidate ... preserve bandwidth 11:09 RichEd and i wil respond :) 11:09 mhz RichEd: sure, I undersand 11:09 RichEd will <- will 11:10 mhz RichEd: and I will pke if not :D 11:10 mhz poke === RichEd puts on chain mail protection 11:10 mhz hehehe 11:10 HedgeMage lol 11:10 ogra heh 11:10 highvoltage RichEd: i just set up a filter for mhz 11:10 cbx33 mhz, use a tazer :p 11:10 mhz lol 11:11 mhz not yet, let's see him in action firts === RichEd puts up a farce field 11:11 HedgeMage cbx33: that's just evil... I like it ;) 11:11 mhz cbx33: remember he may fight back ;) 11:11 HedgeMage RichEd: lol freudian slip? 11:11 ogra heh 11:11 RichEd nope .. that one was quite intentional ;) 11:11 cbx33 hadn't thought of that === highvoltage is having trouble staying awake 11:11 mhz cbx33: but I can throw him a WinXP CD and license 11:11 mhz ;) 11:11 HedgeMage highvoltage: so go to sleep :P 11:11 ogra highvoltage, thast the danger if you sit in bed while meeting :) 11:12 RichEd is your "laptop" calling highvoltage ? 11:12 ogra hahaha 11:12 highvoltage ogra: i'm actually lying, probably more dangerous :) 11:12 cbx33 ooooh === coachJ [n=jeff@236.179.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] 11:12 cbx33 lying..... 11:12 RichEd remember some virus protection please === cbx33 doesn't want any more details 11:12 ogra i think we're also 12 mins over time .... 11:13 ogra so we should probably close here and move over to ur own room :) === LaserJock wonders about Paris ;-) 11:13 ogra LaserJock, tell us :) 11:13 highvoltage LaserJock: hey! i've seen you in bed with your wife's laptop too! 11:13 ogra haha 11:13 LaserJock shush 11:13 LaserJock ;-) 11:14 ogra ok, any other stuff ? === RichEd is done 11:14 ogra going once 11:14 AliasVegas remember everyone... email me you artwork comments! :) 11:14 highvoltage this has been a nice buzzy meeting 11:14 ogra going twice 11:14 ogra AliasVegas, i'll nag them ;) 11:14 cbx33 test grasynco 11:14 mhz AliasVegas: yeah, but URL? 11:14 ogra yeah, test the milestone CDs ! 11:15 highvoltage mhz: that's comments of previous releae 11:15 ogra report BUGS !! 11:15 ogra meeting .... 11:15 highvoltage may the force be with you. 11:15 ogra .... adjourned 11:15 LaserJock \o/ 11:15 ogra thanks everyone ! }}}