2005-11-30
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Meeting November 20, 2005
01:01 JaneW hi all
01:01 JaneW role call
01:01 JaneW roll even
=== kjcole is Kevin Cole
01:02 JaneW is ogra in the house?
01:03 highvoltage he quit a few minutes ago.
01:03 kjcole JaneW: Ogra was a few min ago
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01:03 JaneW let's give him a minute to return...
01:03 jelkner he's back
01:03 highvoltage wow, that worked :)
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01:03 JaneW hi ogra
01:03 ogra grumble ...
01:03 JaneW and flint and mhz
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01:03 highvoltage hi ogra
01:03 ogra hi all
01:03 highvoltage and flint and JaneW
01:03 mhz hi you all, Edubuntereos! :D
01:04 ogra working on erge bugs is no fun
01:04 ogra *merge
01:04 flint do you have any idea how early this is? Good Morning...
01:04 spacey i'm present
01:04 JaneW hi spacey
01:04 kjcole Ogra: No urge to merge?
01:04 mhz flint: fresh ideas in the morning
01:04 ogra kjcole, all merge bugs have to be finished tomorrow...
01:04 ogra (for main)
01:04 flint morning kevin, jane, ollli et al.
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01:06 ogra so tech update ?
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01:06 flint where is my coffee...jane you carp about agendas?
01:06 highvoltage ogra: fire away!
01:06 jelkner ogra: please do!
01:06 kjcole As jane said a few min ago.. Roll call first?
01:06 flint oh no, it's elkner!!!
=== highvoltage is here
=== kjcole is Kevin Cole
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/report.html
01:07 ogra shows that we are pretty good for the flight CD on
friday/saturday
01:07 flint flint is flint
=== jelkner is Jeff Elkner
=== spacey is Herman Bos
01:07 spacey :P
=== ogra is OliverGrawert
=== highvoltage is JonathanCarter
=== Yagisan is Jamie Jones
01:08 ogra the only differenc we have to the ubuntu CD currently is
kino, which i currently consider to be dropped completely...
01:08 ogra kino is a video editing app...
01:08 highvoltage ogra: how does the space look like?
01:08 ogra video editing over ltsp is no real fun ...
01:08 highvoltage ogra: are the applications larger than the previous
versions?
01:08 ogra we are at 670MB currently ...
01:08 ogra so plenty of space ...
01:09 highvoltage nice.
01:09 mhz ogra: besidea, I've been told Kino is not the best ,so far,
video editing app.
01:09 ogra i requested a live filesystem build from lamont, but didnt
hear back yet
01:09 ogra mhz, its the best we have in main
01:09 ogra and i'd like to keep it ... but it doesnt really make sense
if you cant use it ...
01:10 ogra videos over ltsp give you ~10 frames a second
01:10 ogra which is not better than a slideshow
01:10 spacey lots of video stuff in development
01:10 spacey but not mature
01:10 Yagisan ogra: is that because of lack of video acceleration on the
clients ?
01:10 ogra might be, but i dont thik the video issue can be solved
before dapper
01:11 ogra Yagisan, its because you send the picture back and forth
through the ssh connection
01:11 spacey high traffic
01:11 ogra if we once have local app support (approximately dapper+1)
you will be able to use it
01:12 spacey that would be fancy
ogra: not that it is necessarily possible, but as a tie in
01:12 kjcole to the special needs in education (a.k.a. accessibility)
video-based education for deaf students using sign language,
would be sweet. But I'm just fantasizing.
ok, so much about the CD ... we'll have a install CD ready
01:12 ogra for flight2, i cant promise a liveCD before lamont came back
to me ... please start testing
01:12 ogra kjcole, as long as the base is not there, i cant do much ...
01:13 ogra local apps is not on my list for this release
01:13 ogra development in general :
01:13 ogra i inspected willow .... anybody know willow ?
01:13 kjcole ogra: I wasn't suggesting you create it. Just tossing an
idea out... planting seeds...
01:13 ogra (except spacey )
01:14 spacey :o
01:14 ogra kjcole, lets sit together fr dapper+1 if you have experience
in this warea
01:14 ogra i think jelkner and flint will do a dapper dance ...... ;)
01:14 ogra willow is a content filter app written in pythin ....
01:14 ogra python
01:14 flint not this early in the morning i won't...
01:14 kjcole ogra: that image is just too scary to comtemplate.
01:14 jelkner i'm dancing already!
01:15 ogra its *not* requiring urllists or filter rules....
01:15 flint oh neat!
=== spacey pictures flint dancing
01:15 mhz wow
01:15 ogra its based on bayesian filtering (similar to spamfilters)
01:15 kjcole ogra: re video, no experience. just wishes.
01:15 flint where do I find it (imagine Hindernburg landing at Lakehurst
NJ.)
01:15 ogra kjcole, feel free to work on it with me anyway ;)
01:15 highvoltage ogra: is ldap on your list for this release?
01:15 kjcole ogra: sure.
01:15 jelkner ogra: does that mean we can run it on the server?
01:16 ogra i'll package it up as soon as i got time ...
01:16 spacey anyway i will look into willow in the next week and see what
i can do
01:16 ogra it requires some heavy packaging knowledge to get it right
since i want a transparent proxy mode by default ...
01:16 ogra but
01:17 ogra it has a webbased gui i plan to replace with a desktop gui
....
01:17 spacey complete replacement? optional would be nice?
01:17 ogra i made some initial work available as bzr archive ... spacey
expressed interest to work on it
01:17 highvoltage nice.
01:17 spacey for if you don't run it on the edubuntu machine but on a
router
01:18 flint (Hindenburg landing at Lakehurst NJ := flint dancing for joy
over willow :^)
01:18 ogra you will be ale to enable the web gui, but i will disable it
by default
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01:18 ogra the default conf app will be the desktop gui
01:18 spacey ogra, fair enough :)
if you want to work on it, please make a bzr branch from my
01:18 ogra archive and make your work available in bzr on the web so i
can merge it
01:19 ogra http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/
01:19 ogra ^^^ my bzr archives
01:19 spacey ok ^_^
01:19 kjcole flint: I think for willow, one should "weep" (for joy of
course).
01:19 flint spacey, should we consider booting willow on a router as an
outboard machine
01:19 spacey outboard?
01:19 ogra the basic glade gui stuff is done, it would be nice just to
port the web gui functions for the backend
01:20 flint spacey, later... old idea...
01:20 spacey ok
01:20 ogra the plan since we still are on a single classroom solution
is to run it on the server ...
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01:20 ogra as transparent proxy, configured to run by default
01:20 flint ah, the old python...
01:21 jane_ for goodness sake why does my line disconnect at 12:00UTC
every wednesday....?!!
01:21 ogra if and only if it gets ready in time before UVF, i'll try to
get it on the CD
01:21 spacey i'll give willow a testdrive on friday
01:21 ogra else you'll have it in universe to install separately
01:21 highvoltage JaneW: Telkom
01:21 JaneW (sorry about that *again*)
01:21 ogra (and if i dont discover bad bugs indeed)
01:21 kjcole JaneW: You do seem to come and go a bit...
01:21 flint JaneW, do you know how much it costs us to have that done
every week? Tell her guys!
01:21 JaneW highvoltage: but it's FINE the rest of the week....
*shakeshead*
01:22 ogra the status of ltsp:
01:22 ogra my ldm fixes are submitted to mdz for review, havent heard
back yet ....
01:22 ogra the multiarch patch Yagisan wrote is integrated and
submitted to mdz .... havent heard back either
01:23 flint zimmerman just got back from San Francisco...
=== Yagisan hopes that gets merged soon
01:23 ogra sound is not submittable integrated yet, my merge bugs for
ubuntu currently take most of my dev time ...
01:24 highvoltage Yagisan: congrats with your boy!
01:24 ogra but all my work is available in my bzr archive for
inspection, so feel free to bzr get it ;)
01:24 ogra (see url above)
01:24 JaneW ^^^ +++
01:24 highvoltage ogra: and swapping over the network?
01:25 Yagisan thanks. love to chat about him after meeting
01:25 ogra highvoltage, ....
01:25 flint Yagisan, Jamie, is there a Jones sub-process?
01:25 ogra to answer highvoltage, the specs are at mdz for review as
well ...
01:25 highvoltage ok.
01:25 ogra the ThinClientMemoryUsage spec contains the network swap
stuff...
01:26 ogra as soon as its approved, i'll work on integrating that
01:26 ogra as well as the FasterBootScpe and the SoundSpec
01:26 highvoltage nice. it's quite essential, imo.
01:27 ogra its already integrated in breezy
01:27 Yagisan ogra: how far along is ThinClientMemoryUsage ?
01:27 ogra but is not set up ...
01:27 highvoltage ogra: i didn't know that, let's talk about that later then.
01:27 ogra Yagisan, thats last on my priority list, since it depends on
other stuff
01:27 flint ogra, what about block memory devices? Sound is optional in
a crowded classroom
01:27 ogra i.e. the faster boot spec
01:28 kjcole flint: especially since they're all listening to their
iPod's anyway.
01:28 flint kjcole, or talking on their cell phones...
01:28 ogra the local device spec is a= not done yet and b) depending on
work of others who are very busy currently
01:28 Yagisan what has the boot time been reduced to ?
01:29 ogra Yagisan, hard to predict, i totally depend on Keybuks fixes
of udev that havent hit dapper yet
01:29 highvoltage ogra: the default edubuntu installer for release, will it
use the ncurses d-i or u-e?
01:29 ogra currently my thin client here (a very slow one) produces a
bootchart with 50seconds
01:30 highvoltage 50seconds not too bad.
01:30 ogra highvoltage, we'll have two ...
01:30 flint highvoltage, I thought they used whiptail
01:30 kjcole d-i or u-e?
also, would multicast tftp help speed the boot process ? It
01:30 Yagisan could allow etherboot systems to load the kernel more
efficently
01:30 ogra the liveCD will have u-e but only install the workstation
version
01:30 spacey kjcole, debian installer or ubuntu-express
01:30 highvoltage kjcole: debian-installer / ubuntu-express
01:30 ogra te install cd will have d-i and install the server
01:30 highvoltage kjcole: sorry, a bit lazy to type
01:30 Yagisan ogra: after meeting - please tel me how to bootchart my
terminals
01:31 ogra Yagisan, sudo apt-get install bootchart in the chroot ;)
01:31 ogra (works only in dapper)
=== Yagisan makes note to backport it
01:31 kjcole spacey, highvoltage: That's what I get for being an rpm guy
in an obviously deb universe. Thanks.
01:31 ogra Yagisan, you cant
01:31 ogra it depends on certain features of initramfsafaik
=== highvoltage wonders if we could get the flying penguins thingie in
ubuntu-express, or something similar, at least
01:32 ogra highvoltage, feel free to chat with Kamion about that, i hav
no extra dev time for working on express at all
01:32 highvoltage cool.
01:32 ogra ltsp is more important currently
01:33 highvoltage completely agreed.
ok, thats all from my side for now ... if Kamion calls out
01:33 ogra for flight 2 tests, please start testing our CD, it should
be fine by then ...
01:33 JaneW thanks ogra
01:34 ogra oh, in a sidenote, the gobby main inclusion report is
written and waiting for approval through pitti
01:34 JaneW I can;t belive none of my beaurocratic stuff came through
int he beginning - maybe there's an admin filter here ;)
01:34 highvoltage seems like you're way ahead of everyone, ogra.
01:34 JaneW ogra: yay :)
01:34 ogra as soon as thats done i'll add it to the desktop
01:34 flint ogra, thanks for all the hard work, I have been rebuilding
my Lab here in Vermont
01:34 jelkner ogra: thanks a 10**6!
01:34 ogra flint, cool
01:35 JaneW ogra: yes well done you have been quietly working away
haven't you?
01:35 ogra JaneW, yup...
01:35 spacey hard worker :)
01:35 ogra but my merge bugs take a lot time currently
01:35 kjcole ogra: such a busy boy!
01:35 JaneW understood
01:35 ogra so i cant as much as i would like :)
01:35 JaneW ogra: did you have a prepared summary?
01:35 flint America interrupted all meaningful work here with
Thanksgiving Holiday
01:35 mhz ogra: bis from here
01:35 jelkner i need to run (students arriving)... same time next week?
01:36 ogra JaneW, nope, i'll merge it together from the log ...
01:36 JaneW ogra: if so please dump it in a PM for me - if not I'll
distill from the logs...
01:36 highvoltage can we talk about the website?
01:36 JaneW highvoltage: yes shoot
01:36 ogra after the meeting
01:36 flint jelkner, go get 'em tiger!
01:36 JaneW ogra: ok
01:36 mhz jelkner: did the how to work?
01:36 JaneW jelkner: bye, thanks
01:36 ogra ciao jelkner
01:36 kjcole jelkner: Same Bat-Time, Same Bat-Channel
01:36 highvoltage ok, let's do the biggest part first.
01:36 jelkner mhz: i'll look it over today, and get back to you
01:36 mhz ok
01:37 highvoltage Philip has convinced me that we should use Drupal for CMS on
Edubuntu.
01:37 flint kjcole, Same Chat-Time, Same Chat-Channel :^)
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01:37 highvoltage the biggest reason not to use it is because it's php based,
and that can potentially open security vulnerabilities.
01:37 highvoltage but ubuntu already uses php for some of the sites.
01:37 ogra highvoltage, have fun with weekly php secuity updates ;)
01:38 Yagisan s/weekly/daily
01:38 ogra heh
01:38 highvoltage ogra: sure
01:38 highvoltage ogra: and it also runs alone on the edubuntu server, the
risks are quite low, imo.
01:38 highvoltage hno73 has some great ideas with the wiki.
01:39 ogra if you got a security hole and little scriptkiddies put porn
on the frontpage .....
and while i think it will work perfectly with people
01:39 highvoltage familiar with wiki's, I don't think it will work well with
our target market
01:39 ogra :)
01:39 highvoltage i.e. overworked underpaid teachers
01:39 highvoltage ogra: i'll know it was you :P
01:39 ogra hahaha
01:39 mhz highvoltage: has he wikied his ideas? (i'd love to read
them)
01:39 ogra i have no clue about php :)
01:40 highvoltage mhz: yes, he has
01:40 flint highvoltage, johnathan, you nailed it with the market
description.
01:40 mhz highvoltage: cool
01:40 highvoltage http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSitePublishingTools
01:40 ogra i stay away from it as far as i can... dont fear me... fear
20yr younger kids ;)
01:40 highvoltage http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWebsitePlan
01:40 highvoltage http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunityIntegration
01:40 mhz highvoltage: duh! I wasn't subscribed :(
01:41 highvoltage ogra: i avoid php too wherever i can, i do think drupal is
the best tool for the job though
01:41 highvoltage flint: ;)
01:42 JaneW highvoltage: I have heard good things about it
01:42 highvoltage drupal will make it easier for us to manage the edubuntu
documentation too.
01:42 highvoltage and for the web team to add content.
01:42 ogra highvoltage,
http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=drupal
01:42 mhz highvoltage: we could have a meeting about moin or something
else?
01:42 highvoltage wiki makes it easy too, but then we get back to our target
market question
01:43 ogra you should monitor the above page if you use it
01:43 mhz highvoltage: drupal will not make it easier to remember
PageNames :(
drupal, IIRC also gets grades ffrom the politically
01:43 kjcole progressive crowd. Don't know much about drupal other than
a lot of the radical, hippie, Green, etc progressives seem
to drift towards it.
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01:43 spacey why not stick to the same as ubuntu?
01:43 mhz kjcole: that's true and good feature
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01:44 flint kjcole, takes a hippie to know a hippie! :^)
01:44 jsgotangco heya
01:44 mhz hey jsgotangco
01:44 kjcole flint: Tune in, turn on (your computer), drop out.
01:45 flint kjcole, I mean that in the nicest way (damn hippie :^)
01:45 Yagisan brb -sending kids^monsters to bed
01:45 kjcole jsgotangco: Hiya
01:46 jsgotangco are we meeting?
01:46 mhz yup
01:46 flint indeed
01:46 kjcole jsgotangco: yup.
01:47 jsgotangco ok
01:47 highvoltage geez, i must say, i'm a bit torn on this one (usually being
a good decision maker)
01:47 mhz highvoltage: what decision?
01:47 spacey why not stick to the same as ubuntu?
drupal will suite our needs very well, but like ogra says,
01:47 highvoltage we don't want to end up with a site with porn on the front
page
01:47 mhz exactly
01:47 highvoltage mhz: drupal as CMS for edubuntu
01:48 mhz highvoltage: why can't we work closer to Moin wiki devels?
01:48 ogra if someone cares for weekly updates of the server drupal is
fine ....
01:48 spacey its not really straight forwarded if edubuntu has everything
completely different from ubuntu?
01:48 ogra the thing is that the security stuff requires someone to
care for it all the time
01:48 JaneW seems to labour intensive
01:48 mhz highvoltage: this way we'll include what's missing
01:48 highvoltage ogra: does the ubuntu-updates cover the security
vulnerabilities for php?
01:48 JaneW is there another good option?
=== JaneW shudders ... that Kewl next gen thing?
01:49 ogra highvoltage, i dont know the priority of drupal here ... but
it should, yes
01:49 mhz JaneW: sure, MoinMoin :)
01:49 flint highvoltage, my favorite dream app is a php interperter
running in zope...
01:49 ogra JaneW, Kewl is something else ...
01:49 Yagisan well, if it isn't in main, someone needs to work full time
on keeping it going, and secure
01:49 ogra and has no security monitoring at all ...
01:49 highvoltage so, let's try Drupal, if it gives us problems we change it.
01:49 JaneW ogra: from the demo I saw it seemed to have CMS stuff...?
01:50 highvoltage JaneW, ogra: you fine with that?
01:50 flint you have to keep php patched for moodle...
01:50 JaneW highvoltage: if you are prepared to own it and keep it up to
date and running... ;)
01:50 Yagisan does anyone here know how to use Drupal ?
01:50 ogra JaneW, yes, but its php based and has no big community yet
... so vulnerabilitys wont be found or known ...
01:50 ogra there drupal is the better option
01:50 mhz highvoltage: what about the 'scroring' feature of Trac (Trac
is based in moin)
01:50 highvoltage Yagisan: i've used drupal before
01:50 spacey what was wrong with moinmoin?
01:50 JaneW ogra: ok (for the record I don't like it anyway)
01:50 ogra heh
01:51 JaneW ogra: I'd rather go with drupal
01:51 mhz Yagisan: i tried it twice
01:51 highvoltage mhz: apparently drupal is quite good at those kind of things
Philip talked alot about it. i think he called it taxonomy.
01:51 mhz twice =2 diff. sites
01:51 ogra JaneW, yes, but highvoltage will have a lot of work through
it ...
01:51 spacey JaneW, you don't like what?
01:51 mhz highvoltage: yup
01:51 Yagisan ok - I just don't think you should use anything that you
can't administrate
01:51 JaneW spacey: KEWL.nextGen
01:51 mhz highvoltage: taxonomy could easily be implemented in Moin,
afailk
01:51 ogra JaneW, if he's fine with potential weekly updates etc, it
shouldnt be a problem
01:52 spacey right, rings a bell, can't remember, and sounds nasty :P
01:52 jsgotangco mhz: let's not be too enthusaistic about Moin
01:52 jsgotangco :)
01:52 mhz jsgotangco: not possible for me :)
JaneW, ogra: we can have it as a non-live site,
01:52 highvoltage proto.edubuntu.org with a htpassword, and once we're happy
with it, it goes live.
01:52 jsgotangco mhz: i just find it creepy sometimes
01:52 JaneW highvoltage: cool
01:52 flint highvoltage, remember how you identify the pioneer, he is
the guy with the arrow in his back...
=== JaneW finds moin finctional, but not mindblowing
JaneW, my only concern is that it needs someone who
01:52 ogra continiously has the time to fix stuff probably on a weekly
base
01:52 mhz highvoltage: jsgotangco: have you ever subscried to a page
in Drupal
=== jsgotangco doesn't like Drupal
01:53 spacey whats wrong with the stuff which edubuntu uses atm?
in the meantime, i'll educate myseld on the common problems
01:53 highvoltage with drupal, and php, and make sure our system starts out as
secure as it can be
=== jsgotangco is *still* a zope person
=== Yagisan is still a plain html person - no sec worries there
=== highvoltage would like to be a zope person
01:53 JaneW highvoltage: would we have a regression path is we change
our minds?
01:53 JaneW s/is/if
01:53 flint jsgotangco, oh thank you for the zope plug, and there is
always plone!
=== highvoltage is currently a cgi .py person
01:54 jsgotangco flint: including plone of course
01:54 highvoltage JaneW: we can have 2 backups
01:54 flint highvoltage, how external :^)
=== spacey likes dokuwiki ;x
01:54 JaneW ok no more free advertising guys :P
01:54 highvoltage JaneW: we can more or less maintain our current site as a
fallback,
01:54 highvoltage and we can copy and paste from the drupal site to a new one,
if we want.
Haven't personally tried anything but MoinMoin, but I've
01:54 kjcole liked being able to understand the source I've looked at and
tweak it a bit. Rare for me. (Done some of that with
Mailman as well.)
01:54 JaneW ok, well then lets try and see how it goes, given that you
have the time and inclination
01:54 highvoltage we could also save some pages as .html and link them up, but
that's just yucky.
01:54 highvoltage JaneW: but yes, we can have fallbacks.
01:55 highvoltage (and we will)
01:55 JaneW kjcole: me too, but it seems it's to try and 'technical' for
the averegae teacher, from what I hear
01:55 mhz kjcole: what can i say? i agree :)
01:55 jsgotangco i'll afk for 5 minutes go to rush to the drugstore
01:55 kjcole jsgotangco: Zope's a bit heavy for edubuntu, no?
01:55 jsgotangco kjcole: pretty much yeah
highvoltage, if you were really mad and blind with ambition,
01:56 flint you would propose writing a python script which would update
the current site to drupal.
01:56 flint you need zope if you are running schooltool
01:56 highvoltage flint: if i were really mand and blind with ambition, i
would write a python app that replaces drupal entirely :)
01:57 ogra kjcole, why ?
01:57 spacey are you mad and blind?
01:57 flint highvoltage, excellent point! i admire the mad.
01:57 highvoltage spacey: only on wednesdays
highvoltage: are you sure that working with Moin devel guys
01:57 mhz won't let us have the missing features (still understand
which, though)
01:57 spacey :)
01:57 flint ok sleepy and blind with ambition
01:57 highvoltage mhz: it will, but at a time price.
mhz: hno73 has lots of cool ideas, and have been following
01:58 highvoltage moinmoin quite extensively, and you can do everything we
want to, but not quite yet.
ogra: In my limited experience, zope + plone just seemed to
01:58 kjcole be "big", whereas moin seemed "small". No actual empirical
evidence (other than watching the install process for both
in RHEL3.)
01:58 highvoltage some of the features take some extra coding, some are still
being developed.
01:59 highvoltage what it comes down to currently, is the usability.
01:59 highvoltage that's more important to me now that functionality.
01:59 ogra kjcole, but zope/ploe is safe ...
01:59 ogra *plone
01:59 spacey thats what we have now right?
01:59 highvoltage i think it's better to have less features, but have a system
that's easier to use.
01:59 ogra kjcole, and requires nearly no admin work after being set up
...
01:59 highvoltage spacey: ubuntu is partially plone
highvoltage: the only features I understand Drupal have over
02:00 mhz Moin is Forum, Voting, and Polls. The rest I think are all
implementavle. But IMHO, drupal has less total features than
moin.
02:00 JaneW ok time's up, and we only discussed technical and webiste...
02:00 JaneW was there anything else?
02:00 highvoltage can we have more time?
personally i don't like plone, but i do think it is quite
02:00 spacey nice to have the same system as ubuntu, not to confuse
endusers with different systems
02:00 JaneW what happened in the ally meeting last week?
02:00 flint JaneW, I agree enough about the factory back to the product
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02:00 mhz highvoltage: good point usability v/s funcioanlity
ogra: Safe is good. ;-) But after setting up both, I found
02:01 kjcole myself regularly updating my Moin pages, and fearing
Zope/Plone. Three books on Zope, and no books on Moin.
02:01 JaneW highvoltage: sure, thing is I have a commitment at 15:10
each day, so the meetings need to be pretty punctual
02:01 kjcole `
02:01 highvoltage okay, for those interested, please join the web team on
launchpad
02:01 highvoltage https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-website
02:01 JaneW please guys feel free to update the tables in
http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords
02:01 flint JaneW, why so obsessive about lunch?
02:01 JaneW even if we don;t get to discussing the stuff it can still be
in the status reprts
02:01 kjcole ogra: (I mean I have three books on Zope, and no books on
Moin). So from a non-techie point of view...
also, from the TSF side, i'm working on some documentation
02:02 highvoltage for Edubuntu for our Edubuntu roll-out in April/June next
year
02:02 ogra in a sidenote, edubuntu has a booth, a installtion workshop
and i'll hold a talk at the linuxtag essen on saturday ...
02:02 spacey you should make it a subteam of edubuntu
02:02 JaneW flint: heh, no it's my turn to fetch kids :P
02:02 mhz JaneW: i'll reply to patrizzio
02:02 flint I want to beg forgiveness for not doing any documentation...
I am a bad man!
02:02 highvoltage i will be putting this up to our website too, if you want to
get involved there,
02:02 JaneW mhz: thank you
02:02 highvoltage be sure to join the doc group on launchpad too
02:02 kjcole Speaking of documentation.
02:02 JaneW flint: not good enough :P
02:02 highvoltage https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-doc
02:03 flint JaneW, do not eat your kids even if you are in africa, they
frown on canabalisim... :^)
02:03 mhz JaneW: jdub edubuntu-es ML answer should be in my inbox, I
guess, by no later than tomorrow (hopefully)
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02:03 highvoltage flint: JaneW and I are African. we should know, shouldn't
we?
02:03 mhz JaneW: I have created 2 teams in LP (EdubuntuChile and
EdubuntuStudyContent)
02:04 jsgotangco please add me
02:04 jsgotangco :)
02:04 JaneW flint: but they are so tasty!
02:04 flint JaneW, I am certain that they are good enough to eat
Yagisan: there's also an ltsp group:
02:04 highvoltage https://launchpad.net/people/ltspubuntu i haven't seen you
there yet
Jelkner and I met Sunday, and started shreding our way
02:04 kjcole through the tuxLab cookbook. The bzr branch is up on
Launchpad now, but this morning jelkner said "Let's not do
this docbook stuff. Let's do lore."
02:04 highvoltage i can keep further info for next meeting.
02:04 mhz highvoltage: I'd be glad to jump in in that Edubuntu doc
02:04 kjcole He's very into lore.
02:05 jsgotangco kjcole: please write as you will, I can easily move to
docbook as needed
02:05 highvoltage mhz: excellent :) we'll manage that through our new drupal
site, the proto site should be up within the next week
02:05 jsgotangco just focus on content
02:05 flint kjcole, openoffice 2.0 outputs docbook as a save option...
02:05 jsgotangco flint: not good enough
02:05 jsgotangco i'd rather have you guys write in ODF
02:06 highvoltage jsgotangco: do you prefer ODF?
02:06 jsgotangco and i'll slave on the actual code transformation
02:06 mhz highvoltage: grrrr, okis I'l try to be objective (very
difficult :D )
02:06 jsgotangco highvoltage: flexible enough to move to other formats
=== highvoltage didn't realise that
02:06 JaneW ok, it;s going to be very hard for me to document this weeks
meeting...
02:06 JaneW are we agreed that we'll TRY drupal?
jsgotangco: Since I have the docbook and reST sources
already, (for tuxLab Cookbook) and that's what we're basing
02:06 kjcole off of, it seemed easier to edit the existing, rather than
convert, but I'm not particularly committed to any
particular method.
02:06 highvoltage JaneW: yes
02:07 JaneW and all accountability and responsibility for it is on
highvoltage (no pressure) ;)
02:07 mhz JaneW: hmm, yes
02:07 highvoltage JaneW: we will install it on a prototype platform, and put
in content and evaluate how it works for us
02:07 JaneW cool, works for me
02:07 jsgotangco kjcole: let's focus on content first, the coding would be
easier
02:07 highvoltage JaneW: then, if we're happy that it covers our old site, we
move across to the drupal site for our main site
02:07 jsgotangco *trust me*
02:07 kjcole jsgotangco: Fine by me.
02:07 highvoltage jsgotangco: i have a policy to never trust anyone who says
"trust me"
02:08 jsgotangco highvoltage: lol ok i take that as a compliment
02:08 jsgotangco :D
02:08 highvoltage JaneW: meeting notes better?
02:08 kjcole In any case, we made good progress, hand-editing
hard-copies, and trimmed quite a bit.
JaneW: yesterday night, I mentioned to Seveas that not
02:08 mhz having edubuntu-es or anything regarding ubuntu, may cause
newcomers a little problem IF we find no proper conduct in
there (we can't slap or kick)
=== JaneW must go back in 30 mins or so
JaneW: so I'll ping him on friday if the person who
02:09 mhz registered edubunt-es doesn't show up, and Seveas is working
on some 'guidlines'
02:09 JaneW mhz: I'll pick up in #edubuntu when I return ok?
02:09 mhz okis
02:09 ogra mhz, we normally dont slap or kick people ...
02:10 flint highvoltage, my feeling about drupal is "once a
philosopher, twice a pervert" what can it hurt to try...
02:10 JaneW mhz: sounds like you need a CoC
02:10 mhz ogra: hehehe, you know what i mean
02:10 mhz CoC?
02:10 ogra mhz, first target is to convince by talking ...
02:10 highvoltage flint: naked people is part of ubuntu's heritage
02:10 flint JaneW, enjoy the kidos i'm for coffee for 5 minutes...
02:10 mhz ogra: sure, that's why i said IF
02:10 JaneW flint: k, send me pics of yours!
mhz and another fellow (toxictoadz) have joined the Edubuntu
02:10 kjcole Cookbook Cooks, and I'm probably looking at them for
translation work...
02:10 ogra mhz, we kicked exactly one troll in #edubuntu it its whole
existance .... after trying to convince 2 weeks
02:10 kjcole mhz, yes?
02:11 highvoltage wow, not bad.
02:11 mhz ogra: really? who?
02:11 highvoltage bill gates? he's been trolling a lot lately.
02:11 Seveas ghe, in #ubuntu the kick rate is somewhat highrt :)
02:11 mhz kjcole: sorry, lost me... what?
02:11 jsgotangco i remember that....
02:11 ogra mhz, kicking should be the very last resort ... and you
should be able to contact the owner within this timeframe
02:11 flint I was hoping to be elected troll...
02:12 ogra mhz, she was called JenniferX
02:12 mhz ogra: indeed
02:12 highvoltage meeting finished?
02:12 flint I am a troll befor coffee. back in 5
02:12 ogra meeting finished !
02:12 spacey ok:)
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