fév 17 21:00:29 hi to all, who is here for the meeting ? fév 17 21:00:46 great :D fév 17 21:00:52 I am, jean7491 fév 17 21:00:59 * massimo21 (~massimo21@91.176.70.86) a quitté #ubuntu-be fév 17 21:01:16 me 2 of course fév 17 21:01:45 me 2, being curious fév 17 21:01:51 i'm here to get a feeling how things are organised fév 17 21:03:12 lofty fév 17 21:03:26 *lofty40, are you new? fév 17 21:03:33 hello acraens , woutervddn , warddr , lofty40 , massimo21 fév 17 21:03:50 Already using ubuntu/mythtv for about 2 years. fév 17 21:04:04 but you're new to U-be fév 17 21:04:22 anyways, welcome acraens and lofty40 fév 17 21:04:26 si'm new 2 fév 17 21:05:00 me 2 new here fév 17 21:05:05 I am following the group a long time, and should get more active fév 17 21:05:16 cool acraens , djim-fey and lofty40 fév 17 21:05:26 well welcome to djim-fey also then ^^ fév 17 21:05:27 And welcome fév 17 21:05:29 hello djim-fey fév 17 21:05:43 hi @ all fév 17 21:08:43 o/ fév 17 21:08:53 lofty40 djim-fey acraens , if possible introduce yourself to the group (where you are located, your experience), the conversation is easier when you know to who you are speaking, but of course you are free to do or not !, we start the meeting in 5 min. fév 17 21:09:03 hi JanC fév 17 21:11:10 ok, i'm alex and living just outside of Leuven. I heve been using Ubuntu on and off the last two years on an old Dell Laptop. I hope i can get more into things since i'm trying to convince my boss to use some Ubuntu rrunPC and perhaps a server. fév 17 21:11:45 thx acraens, welcome ! fév 17 21:11:57 I see myself a user right now but hope to help others fév 17 21:12:16 I am an open source enthusiast since 3-4 years, running solely on ubuntu since 2years and especially interested in media. Living near saint-nicolas. fév 17 21:12:36 i used pc more than 10 years and since last week begin with ubuntu because of my university study so i'm quite in linux. im in hoboken & speak dutch fév 17 21:13:04 lofty40: do you mean "Sint-Niklaas" ? fév 17 21:13:10 yes fév 17 21:13:16 @djim-fey, what do you study? fév 17 21:13:34 chemistry fév 17 21:13:38 lofty40: do you mean graphical art and stuff? fév 17 21:14:03 lofty40 and djim-fey If you're intereseted in promoting ubuntu, we're still looking for some volunteers at Hobby en Computerdagen in antwerp: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Antwerp_2011-02-26-27 fév 17 21:14:18 More media like video, satellite, ... fév 17 21:14:30 interesting :p fév 17 21:14:35 thx lofty40 djim-fey ! fév 17 21:14:39 i chose programming as 1 of my 'bijvak' fév 17 21:14:46 ow fév 17 21:15:13 now let's start the meeting ... fév 17 21:15:19 topic #1. Past and future events fév 17 21:15:25 item #1 fosdem 05-06/02/2011 – JanC – something to add ? fév 17 21:15:40 im here today cuz i also want more info about 26/02 fév 17 21:16:02 I put the money we made at FOSDEM on the ubuntu-be account today fév 17 21:16:13 which was > 1000 € fév 17 21:16:32 so woutervddn can order more t-shirts now ☺ fév 17 21:16:46 yes.. good.. fév 17 21:17:24 but first ... contact mark ! fév 17 21:17:45 JanC : please do not forget a short report + pics in the wiki ! fév 17 21:17:51 it might take 1 or 2 days to get on the ubuntu-be account indeed fév 17 21:18:11 @jean: don't worry, I will but I'll inform the guy from the printing firm fév 17 21:18:38 I have no pics, so I guess I'll have to ask others... fév 17 21:18:52 woutervddn: did they keep the "master" ? fév 17 21:18:59 ok fév 17 21:19:24 janC: I don't know yet, but I do hope so fév 17 21:19:35 we continue ... fév 17 21:19:45 item #2 hobby and computers days - antwerp 26-27/02/2011 fév 17 21:20:13 team and material should be ok, bram is in charge of the coordination, ... fév 17 21:20:46 djim-fey, what did you want to know about the hobby and computer days? fév 17 21:20:56 djim-fey for more details , please contact bram fév 17 21:21:22 how? fév 17 21:22:23 I will give "Nero" table cloth, banner, posters & t-shirts fév 17 21:22:55 djim-fey - by mail, i sent you in pm the address fév 17 21:23:15 ok thx fév 17 21:23:22 i'm not sure about the coordination for the move of material from brugge to antwerpen ... fév 17 21:23:51 I'll work that out with Nero fév 17 21:23:54 i sent mails to bram and nero on the issue, this evening fév 17 21:24:02 normally he comes on Saturday fév 17 21:24:35 I think I have a stack of about 4-5cm thick of flyers also fév 17 21:25:08 ok, but i think bram should agree to take the charge of the t-shirts (=300 euros!) fév 17 21:25:17 Nero comes next Saturday to Brugge I mean fév 17 21:25:43 jean7491: what do you mean? fév 17 21:26:48 t-shirts is an additional charge (inventaris and inventaris) for the team ... fév 17 21:27:39 i already tried with the question, but no answer yet ... fév 17 21:28:19 maybe easier if Nero takes leftovers back home and makes a list of what's left? fév 17 21:29:14 perhaps, you certainly can give some stickers Powered by Ubuntu, posters "de weg ...", cd's, chocolates ? fév 17 21:29:19 unless we just leave them for the Antwerp team? fév 17 21:29:38 right, I got new stickers today fév 17 21:30:02 what do you mean ? speaking about chocolates for a'pen team ? fév 17 21:30:58 I mean whatever is left from t-shirts--they can also keep them for next events they do... fév 17 21:32:03 not sure if this is the best solution! another is the stock back to wouter ? fév 17 21:32:51 the new free stickers have a "metalic" look now, but the ones from ubuntu-fr that we can sell for 0,50 € are much more "sturdy" fév 17 21:33:44 anyway, if nero comes back with the last t-shirts, it is easier to sent t-shirts where necessary fév 17 21:34:23 well I don't mind to have the shirts with me, but it's always better if someone sells them at a fair.. fév 17 21:34:30 maybe they will all be gone anyway ;) fév 17 21:35:02 i suggest to see with nero, and later with bram fév 17 21:35:04 That would be nice :) fév 17 21:35:25 woutervddn: you won't be in Antwerp I suppose? fév 17 21:35:27 Nero coordinates the boots in Mechelen most of the time, there is one 27/03/2011 fév 17 21:35:40 idd fév 17 21:35:45 maybe he can use them there fév 17 21:35:54 yes fév 17 21:36:18 I'm not planning to :) fév 17 21:36:38 woutervddn: maybe if we can have new t-shirts before Antwerp, what if you let them be delivered to Nero's place (if he agrees of course!) fév 17 21:37:29 except this time we really need to put pre-ordered t-shirts aside ;) fév 17 21:37:40 :D fév 17 21:38:03 :p lol fév 17 21:38:24 1 week for production and delivery ? seems short ! fév 17 21:38:29 well my guess is that the 26th is going to be short fév 17 21:38:32 lol indeed.. fév 17 21:38:52 I can try but that means ordering tomorrow I guess.. :s fév 17 21:38:58 if they have no backlog, production and delivery could be done in 2-3 days ;) fév 17 21:39:32 last time they were printed in 1 day.. delivery took about 6 days (including weekend) fév 17 21:39:34 but yeah, 1 week would be more conservative fév 17 21:40:15 woutervddn: I'm pretty sure delivery by the parcel service only took 1 or at max. 2 days ;) fév 17 21:40:35 again, you cann't decide as the local leader has no choice ! imho he has first to agree ! fév 17 21:41:08 well, it would be Nero's choice maybe fév 17 21:42:10 maybe, but he is not in charge of organizing team and booth in a'pen fév 17 21:43:09 * padv est parti (Remote host closed the connection) fév 17 21:43:40 nero can be in charge of 20 t-shirts, imho it is enough for a'pen fév 17 21:44:42 the problem is we're out of most sizes fév 17 21:44:49 well, half of the sizes fév 17 21:44:59 and only 1 for several other sizes fév 17 21:46:53 anyway, in case Nero agrees *and* they can be delivered before H&C days, they can go to Nero, otherwise they can go directly to Wouter fév 17 21:47:27 ok for me, if nero agrees fév 17 21:47:48 other comment for a'pen ? fév 17 21:49:16 if none, item #3 digital week 2011, (28/02-04/03/2011) fév 17 21:49:27 no new information, already scheduled on 03/03/2011 in the public library – Ostend fév 17 21:49:40 I will ask in my mail to Nero (I'm working on that currently) fév 17 21:49:41 and on 26/02 in Niel : see http://www.digitaleweek.be/activiteiten-2011/infodag-computerclub-monitor-niel-vzw fév 17 21:49:53 ok JanC fév 17 21:50:14 other comment about digital week ? fév 17 21:51:08 if no, Item #4 dipro fair brugge – 13/03/2011 fév 17 21:51:21 volunteers, please add your names in the wiki ... fév 17 21:51:29 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Brugge_2011-03-13 fév 17 21:52:21 next ... fév 17 21:52:29 item #5 dipro charleroi – 20/03/2011 fév 17 21:52:58 again, volunteers, please add your names in the wiki fév 17 21:52:58 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/Charleroi_2011-03-20 fév 17 21:53:18 other comment about events ? fév 17 21:54:17 i found following link about the digital week and ubuntu - http://digitaleweek.schoten.be/node/2 fév 17 21:55:27 is this organised with the support of u-be? fév 17 21:55:59 not officially (yet) AFAIK fév 17 21:56:48 we certainly want to put it on our event calendar though ☺ fév 17 21:56:58 (if it's not there yet) fév 17 21:57:29 not included in digitaleweek.be, do not know why ? fév 17 22:01:12 het is georganiseerd via de cultuurdienst van Schoten fév 17 22:01:37 btw on the site i see not date ? fév 17 22:01:43 it is on the digitaleweek.be website: http://digitaleweek.be/activiteiten-2011/vrije-software-dag fév 17 22:02:37 idd fév 17 22:03:14 probably since yesterday on the site fév 17 22:03:33 we continue with next topic # 2. Promotion fév 17 22:03:41 item #1 t-shirts for Ubuntu-be : fév 17 22:03:51 we already spoke about, other comment ? fév 17 22:04:06 I ordered some bubble envelopes to send them in.. fév 17 22:04:12 they arrived today :) fév 17 22:04:28 ok fév 17 22:05:07 not much else.. I guess.. fév 17 22:05:52 Item #2 Other goodies (mugs, bags, pens, ... ) ? fév 17 22:06:08 * woutervddn wants some! fév 17 22:06:16 I sent some prices for pens, mugs and bags to the mailinglist fév 17 22:06:26 it is a suggestion in the ml -- do we need to buy other goodies? fév 17 22:07:00 But don't forget the implications (additional workload for volunteers, logistical problems, ...) fév 17 22:07:04 jean7491, reactions at the mailinglist are very postive fév 17 22:07:54 other comment ? fév 17 22:07:55 I was surprised that the ML responded so well on this idea.. fév 17 22:08:22 idd, and who will lead the project ? fév 17 22:08:40 I can lead it, I promise I will make more time for it than for the t-shirts fév 17 22:08:42 and personally I'd like to see how well the shipment of the shirts turns out, that might be a guidance fév 17 22:08:49 * jimbauwens (~jim@d51538A12.access.telenet.be) a rejoint #ubuntu-be fév 17 22:09:01 I'm willing to help warddr if he likes having some help fév 17 22:09:04 Sorry for being late! fév 17 22:09:10 woutervddn, cool :D fév 17 22:09:27 hello jimbauwens fév 17 22:09:36 Hi :) fév 17 22:10:04 o/ fév 17 22:10:30 jimbauwens: I'm glad it's not me who's late :p ;-) fév 17 22:10:52 What important stuff did I miss? fév 17 22:10:53 :) fév 17 22:11:25 The past and future events, jimbauwens fév 17 22:11:35 we are now talking about promotion fév 17 22:11:58 ok, I'll be able to catch that up in the mailing list :) fév 17 22:12:47 for you, the item is Item #2 Other goodies (mugs, bags, pens, ... ) ? fév 17 22:12:47 do we need to buy other goodies? But don't forget the implications (additional workload for volunteers, logistical problems, ...) fév 17 22:13:16 warddr is willing to lead the project ... fév 17 22:13:33 I already started looking for the best prices, I sent some to the mailinglist fév 17 22:16:36 i'll add a wiki page, ... fév 17 22:17:03 Ok, I'll keep it updated fév 17 22:17:07 ^ that might be handy fév 17 22:17:11 if you send me the link fév 17 22:19:55 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011 fév 17 22:20:19 we continue Item #3 promotion material for fairs/events : fév 17 22:20:27 first proposal: flyers 2011 - please look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsFlyers2011 fév 17 22:20:49 and add your proposals/comments (if any !!!) in the mailing list and in the wiki page fév 17 22:21:09 comment ? fév 17 22:21:45 I allready said it about the banners but I'll say it again: it's important that you express your meaning regarding stuff like this fév 17 22:22:13 +1 fév 17 22:22:18 We'll be making a ton of the flyers we choose, having one you don't like means that you have to hand 'ugly' ones out for years fév 17 22:22:39 +2 fév 17 22:22:53 * woutervddn goes for 5 :D fév 17 22:23:16 hoping new comments ! fév 17 22:23:17 than you have to make up 3 more interesting things :D fév 17 22:23:48 just do it ! fév 17 22:23:59 second proposal: rollups 2011 - first proposals are in the wiki page fév 17 22:24:11 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsRollup2011 fév 17 22:24:31 question was : does canonical have rollups available for loco teams? JanC is directing the question to the loco-council fév 17 22:25:04 next meeting on 15/03, i think fév 17 22:25:16 other comment ? fév 17 22:25:24 jean7491: when are we planning to buy one? fév 17 22:25:28 I'm making my own proposal, but my first 2 attempts didn't work out as I wanted (they sucked..) fév 17 22:26:25 it is up to you, and the finances? fév 17 22:27:01 loco-council meetings are second Tuesday of every month IIRC fév 17 22:28:56 that would be March 8th fév 17 22:29:29 ok, i though 3d tuesday! @ wouter: i don't expect a fast answer from canonical, about timing, if we decide to buy it, first a good design, and then see if we have money and what we wish to buy: 2 or 3 monts? fév 17 22:29:34 and I'm not only asking about rollups but also other stuff fév 17 22:30:25 jean7491: you are right, it's 3rd Tuesday, so 15/3 fév 17 22:30:47 imho, we can go on with looking for good design, no cost, during the study ! fév 17 22:30:55 right ☺ fév 17 22:31:32 if it's € 60 or more it better be a good design.. Making new ones each year would be expensive I guess.. fév 17 22:32:11 example of questions for the design: design international, national, or 1 language ? ... fév 17 22:33:19 possibility of collaboration with other loco team? is there a difference in price /piece for 2 or 10 ? worthy ? fév 17 22:33:44 * acraens est parti (Quit: Page closed) fév 17 22:34:03 if we're not getting them from Canonical (and we'd do it without another loco team) I'd say make them national but in 1 language.. fév 17 22:34:26 (that's my point of view though..) fév 17 22:34:46 possibility of sponsors ? fév 17 22:35:48 a lot of questions ... to be followed ! fév 17 22:36:14 other comment about promotion ? fév 17 22:36:33 I found some prices for a 85x200 roll-up (as example), price goos down if we order more: fév 17 22:36:33 1-3 units – €99 fév 17 22:36:33 4-7 units – €79 fév 17 22:36:33 8-11 units – €69 fév 17 22:36:33 12+ units – €59 fév 17 22:36:44 designs can be diffirent dat this website fév 17 22:37:05 if we work together with other locoteams, maybe we can get 12+ fév 17 22:37:28 24+ units – €49 fév 17 22:37:29 48+ units – €44 fév 17 22:37:34 maybe :D fév 17 22:37:41 U-nl allready has some (apparently) so question is if they'd want to pay for extra.. fév 17 22:37:46 e.g. if we order them before FOSDEM or UDS or such... fév 17 22:37:55 it's 50% less! fév 17 22:38:19 if design is international ! fév 17 22:38:34 at this website all designs can be diffirect fév 17 22:38:43 when uds and where ? fév 17 22:39:00 @warddr which site ? fév 17 22:39:21 There are two example rollup banners in the branding guidelines introduction at page 23 fév 17 22:39:29 http://nl.rollup4pop.com/ fév 17 22:39:39 next UDS is in May in Budapest, the one after that is in November in Orlando, Florida IIRC ;) fév 17 22:39:58 ok, i'll check the site fév 17 22:39:59 xD not exactly near :p fév 17 22:40:58 i suggest we continue with the promo material at next meeting !? fév 17 22:41:22 good idea.. maybe add these questions to the wiki.. fév 17 22:42:24 i wonder if anyone should sponsor such rollups (with name of the firma on the rollup ? fév 17 22:43:19 perhaps i already dream ? fév 17 22:43:35 not sure if sponsor name on something like that is a good idea (but I'd have to think about it) fév 17 22:43:45 It is possible.. just find a firm that understands the value of Open-Source.. fév 17 22:43:54 I'd rather get flyers from the sponsor or something like that fév 17 22:44:12 janC: I guess some small reference is good for me, but it still has to be an Ubuntu banner :p fév 17 22:44:51 like we get the flyers from Guy fév 17 22:44:52 perhaps i'll add a design with place for sponsor's logos fév 17 22:45:13 which flyers ? fév 17 22:45:31 the penguin-shaped ones for his multi-seats? fév 17 22:45:42 ok fév 17 22:46:10 I'd be happy to have flyers like that from other companies too... ;) fév 17 22:46:47 i propose we continue with topic # 3. update wiki and web-site fév 17 22:46:51 it also shows visitors that Ubuntu has local commercial support fév 17 22:47:40 * streep (~streep@188.188.98.229) a rejoint #ubuntu-be fév 17 22:47:44 tux-pics are fun for kids, it's true ! fév 17 22:48:01 not only for kids.. fév 17 22:48:32 ok, now wiki ! fév 17 22:48:53 what about the meeting on last tuesday evening ? fév 17 22:49:12 well mongolito404 and I started with going true the whole wiki first.. fév 17 22:49:56 We decided to make a BelgianTeam/Legacy page for all the content from before 2010 fév 17 22:50:19 I still have to add the links though (the wiki didn't take them automatically) fév 17 22:50:28 btw can you explain me the aim of a legacy page? fév 17 22:50:37 we also made a list of the changes we made fév 17 22:50:52 * streep est parti (Client Quit) fév 17 22:51:17 maybe legacy to not have to throw things away (yet)? fév 17 22:51:41 well the legacy page is a way to structure everything done by U-be. It can be handy as 'historical' content. fév 17 22:51:59 we already have weekly and monthly reports, agenda, reapproval applications ! fév 17 22:52:11 Maybe when someone ever things about doing some actions at railway stations we can say: 'hey the legacy page has a link to a similar action' fév 17 22:52:55 i read an example : (2009/03/13-14) WEXS - Talk about the use of Ubuntu and Edubuntu in a class enviroment : fév 17 22:53:01 true, but as I see it it's a way to keep track of the pages and not 'lose' them in the amount fév 17 22:53:40 the example i mention is an invitation, afaik nobody went fév 17 22:53:44 an overview of what we've done is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/2011/FebruaryWikiCleanup fév 17 22:54:20 well content like that can go, but we didn't want to delete a quarter of the wiki :) fév 17 22:54:46 some of those are really valuable, and we should keep those, others surely can go :) fév 17 22:55:03 btw it is why adding reports for all activities are important ! fév 17 22:55:31 btw: I need to update the FebruaryWikiCleanup page after I've changed some other things fév 17 22:57:23 All in all I can say that there isn't that much work on the wiki (surprisingly) fév 17 22:57:55 I guess that if we'd have a few people who work on this it can be all updated in a half day.. :) fév 17 22:58:13 ok, nest step ? fév 17 22:58:20 next step ? fév 17 22:59:11 woutervddn: maybe djim-fey, lofty40 & others can help with that? ;) fév 17 22:59:14 next step is to update the feb.wikicleanup page. I'll do that tomorrow and then we'll have an up to date to do list fév 17 22:59:49 indeed =p but I believe it helps if we had some veterans among us :p fév 17 22:59:56 (trying to get new peopel involved :P ) fév 17 23:00:30 I'm only here since november and half of the time I need to read the whole page and even then I'm not always sure what it's about.. fév 17 23:00:52 * jimbauwens est parti (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) fév 17 23:00:53 But I'll keep you all updated via the ML fév 17 23:01:33 woutervddn: you can always try to ping somebody who has been around longer (maybe also look at who edited the page) fév 17 23:01:54 you can see teh whole editing history of every page after all fév 17 23:02:14 indeed.. fév 17 23:02:52 pierre and I both had some pages of which we thought that they should be maintained better.. fév 17 23:02:59 ok, i'm not allways available, although i wrote a lot of additions in the wiki ! fév 17 23:03:35 lik the BelgianTeam/OsLessLaptopShops for instance.. it would be awesome to see a big list of shops that is up to date. fév 17 23:04:04 jean7491: After taking a look at the content I think you wrote about 50% of the wiki :p fév 17 23:04:16 (reports are the main reason for that though :p) fév 17 23:04:23 i found it "par hasard" and moved it up fév 17 23:04:41 it = OsLessLaptopShops fév 17 23:05:09 we might put that page inside ubuntu-be.org website :) fév 17 23:05:59 since 2 years i wrote all reports + logs of the meetings + events ..., a lot fév 17 23:06:24 about web-site: i've 3 points fév 17 23:06:43 a contact-form is included in the web-site, as a way to contact ubuntu-be (not for technical support) , see ”contact us” on the website. the questions are forwarded to the contact-group or to the press contacts, according the category of the request. fév 17 23:07:30 Remark: the contact-group (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/Website/Commercial_links) will act as coordination-team. A task description will be worked on and added in the wiki, when agreed. fév 17 23:07:57 second point : about the new contact-form page – I suggest to add the irc channel (or chat) as a possibility to contact ubuntu-be members (in general) about general questions, coordination and organization of events. fév 17 23:08:23 third point: last week we pointed out that we need a page promoting our actions/events. the aim is to show what we do, hoping that new volunteers will join. are there new proposals? fév 17 23:08:46 your comments ? fév 17 23:09:39 I think a separeted irc-channel isn't needed fév 17 23:09:40 about the 3rd point: I'll be starting one when I find the time.. school's taking a lot of time atm.. fév 17 23:10:05 warddr: I think jean means putting a link to the irc chat on the contact-us form fév 17 23:10:37 @warddr : i don't speak about an additional channel, just a mention about irc in the "contact-form" fév 17 23:10:55 I'm getting a litle tired I think :D fév 17 23:10:59 :p fév 17 23:11:03 lol fév 17 23:11:24 other comment about website ? fév 17 23:11:26 jean, I guess you'll have to ask pierre about the irc link fév 17 23:11:53 i'll write a bug report, later .. fév 17 23:11:56 I believe he's the only one who can change that as it isn't a real page (or maybe other web-editors can, I seem to be a problem for drupal) fév 17 23:12:19 (read as: drupal doesn't give me all the rights it should..) fév 17 23:12:34 I hope they can immediately fix the share-button as well fév 17 23:12:59 i'll make the suggestion, for the realisation, it is up to who knows about ! fév 17 23:13:05 thx for finding that mistake ward.. I didn't see it.. fév 17 23:13:27 next topic # 4. things living in the mailing list and others questions not in the agenda ? fév 17 23:13:41 i've nothing to add ! fév 17 23:13:50 your input ? fév 17 23:14:45 are there other questions not in the agenda ? (except next meeting) fév 17 23:15:24 if no question, ... last topic, next irc meeting ? on thursday 24/02/2011 at 21 h. fév 17 23:16:12 sound okay for me ^^ fév 17 23:16:17 ok for me fév 17 23:16:57 JanC ? fév 17 23:17:38 date okay for me fév 17 23:17:47 end of meeting - thanks to all for your participation, have a good night !