2006Apr04
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The 4th of April, 2006
[09:58:26] <rob> vb isn't much berrer You are not allowed to attach a file to this page.
[09:58:29] <cef> I'll stick to little creatures
[09:58:55] <pschulz01> Hmmmmm... little creatures.
[09:58:57] <rob> I'll drubj carlton draught though :)
[09:58:59] <rob> bah
[09:59:04] <rob> s/drubj/drink
[09:59:12] <pschulz01> I'll be there in two weeks time.
[09:59:14] <rob> lesson 1) dont type whist eating cake
[09:59:35] <pschulz01> 30 seconds...
[09:59:50] <cef> Fujitsu: of note:
[09:59:55] <pschulz01> 10..
[09:59:57] * Fujitsu notes.
[09:59:57] <cef> <-- Ex LUV president
[10:00:01] <pschulz01> 5..
[10:00:03] <Fujitsu> Nice!
[10:00:05] <Fujitsu> No.
[10:00:08] <Fujitsu> We are 5 seconds in!
[10:00:09] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:00:13] * Fujitsu bangs hammer on desk.
[10:00:21] * kgoetz farts
[10:00:24] <Fujitsu> I call to order the second fortnightly meeting of the Ubuntu AustralianTeam.
[10:00:39] * rob burps
[10:00:51] * kev1n is in order
[10:01:05] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:01:15] <Fujitsu> Now, tonight's meeting structure will be different to last time.
[10:01:28] <rob> ...
[10:01:30] <Fujitsu> The points will be gone over at first... Then we will discuss later.
[10:01:45] <rob> odd but ok :)
[10:01:56] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:02:07] <Fujitsu> First on the agenda is:
[10:02:21] <Fujitsu> Adding pages to the wiki about why members should join.
[10:02:42] <Fujitsu> As well as what members actually do, like the CanadianTeam.
[10:02:57] <rob> Fujitsu, so do you want us to discuss this now or what?
[10:03:03] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[10:03:07] <kgoetz> lol
[10:03:18] * kgoetz thinks Fujitsu got a bit involved in being bos
[10:03:18] <Fujitsu> I think we discuss it now, actually.
[10:03:27] <rob> otherwise, its just a listing of everything on the wiki page, which we can read
[10:03:44] <ndazza> link to the wiki page plz?
[10:03:44] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:03:52] <YukiCuss> ndazza, http://ubuntu.com.au/go/wiki
[10:03:54] <ndazza> ta
[10:04:03] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:04:12] <Fujitsu> Can we have some discussion? :)
[10:04:13] <rob> meeting agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings
[10:04:23] <rob> is Andrew Swinn here?
[10:04:31] <kgoetz> what exactly are we discussing? the pages existance, or what to put there?
[10:04:36] <Fujitsu> I think it's a good idea, but somebody has to work out what to put there.
[10:04:42] <Fujitsu> Both, I guess, kgoetz.
[10:04:54] <Fujitsu> I was wondering if Andrew was here...
[10:05:05] <rendhalver> how about we have an Ideas page where people put ideas for what goes on the page
[10:05:12] <cef> the canadian stuff looks like a good template to start from
[10:05:17] <rob> I'd just like to make the point that if you put something on the agenda, please ensure you attend meetings, otherwise please post to the mailing list instead
[10:05:23] <Fujitsu> The Canadian stuff does look good, but I am biased.
[10:05:30] <YukiCuss> rob, good idea; to write onto the page itself.
[10:05:33] <Fujitsu> Good idea, rob.
[10:05:38] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, the issue is that we end up getting `Ideas' pages for every single page there is.
[10:05:55] * Fujitsu wonders where Phlosten is...
[10:06:18] <Fujitsu> OK, anybody got any ideas for it other than the CanadianTeam has?
[10:06:31] <rendhalver> or we have a generic ideas page for general plotting and scheming?
[10:06:33] <ndazza> there's a Discussion page for every single wikipedia article, perhaps that's not such a dumb idea?
[10:06:46] <Phlosten> sorry
[10:06:47] <Phlosten> im here
[10:06:49] <Fujitsu> The Ubuntu wiki appears not to have talk pages..
[10:06:51] <Phlosten> *waves*
[10:06:51] <Fujitsu> Ahh.
[10:06:53] <Fujitsu> Hi, Phlosten.
[10:07:01] <rendhalver> hrm
[10:07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> rendhalver: i think one page for general page discustion would work
[10:07:13] <Phlosten> gimme a sec, i'll read what has happened so far
[10:07:18] <rob> I think Goals should be laid out on the main .au wiki page
[10:07:23] <rendhalver> :)
[10:07:28] <rendhalver> yeah
[10:07:30] <Fujitsu> Kamping_Kaiser && kgoetz, why the multiple connections? :S
[10:07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> re a reason to join - it should be on the main page
[10:07:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's a selling point
[10:07:45] <rob> .au specific resources also
[10:07:45] <Fujitsu> Kamping_Kaiser, an overview on the main page, perhaps.
[10:07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> Fujitsu: i'm working on 2 computers :s, i'll try to post from ehre
[10:08:04] <Phlosten> it wasnt my initial suggestion, it came from mathewv originally
[10:08:11] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:08:16] <Fujitsu> And he left 5 minutes ago.
[10:08:35] * rob wonders why Futurama is on at the same time as this :(
[10:08:37] <Phlosten> last meeting he was here and he asked about what we do etc etc
[10:08:45] <Fujitsu> OK, it seems pretty quiet... Any more discussion?
[10:09:02] <Fujitsu> There doesn't seem to be much we can actually discuss on this at this point.
[10:09:12] <rob> nope, mailing list ->
[10:09:26] <rendhalver> i shall join that in a bit as well
[10:09:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> i did have some comments about the first page draft looked li8ke you join the page and your instantly working for ubuntu in schools/busnes etc. we want to be a bit more anyone can join and work on projects if they want, right?
[10:09:30] <Fujitsu> Probably a good idea. It will require a bit of pondering.
[10:09:42] <Fujitsu> Of course, Kamping_Kaiser.
[10:10:12] <rob> any more?
[10:10:28] <Fujitsu> OK, so move to mailing list and/or next weeks meeting?
[10:10:32] <Fujitsu> *week's
[10:10:42] <rob> Fujitsu, do a minutes up and post to list
[10:10:46] <Phlosten> a quick summary text is what we need, to rope in people with ideas
[10:11:02] <Fujitsu> Phlosten, yes.
[10:11:21] <Fujitsu> So, anybody got any more points on this?
[10:11:25] <Fujitsu> Or shall we move on?
[10:11:36] <rob> ok
[10:11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> move on. people will think of points later
[10:11:38] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:11:40] <Fujitsu> Moving on.
[10:11:50] <Fujitsu> Next, the website/forum, or the need for one.
[10:12:02] <rob> YukiCuss?
[10:12:05] <pschulz01> (Pick me.. need to leave soon)
[10:12:18] <YukiCuss> rob, I'm just listening.
[10:12:18] <rob> ok shoot pschulz01
[10:12:20] <Fujitsu> It's in progress at the moment.
[10:12:27] <Fujitsu> OK, not really much to discuss on this front.
[10:12:29] <Fujitsu> OK, pschulz01.
[10:12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> can we susptend the website and listen to pschulz01
[10:12:36] <rob> YukiCuss, you put the agenda item up, what ideas do you have?
[10:12:38] <pschulz01> As an example of a project..
[10:12:46] <pschulz01> I plan on running an information booth at Connecting Up 06, hopefully with some sponsorship from Linux Australia.
[10:12:48] <pschulz01> he details are on my Wiki Page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaulSchulz
[10:12:56] <pschulz01> I have 300 Ubuntu CD's on the way (via Shipit).
[10:12:58] <rendhalver> cool
[10:13:00] <pschulz01> I would also like to add Not-for-profit as an 'official project' and add it to the project page.
[10:13:07] <Fujitsu> A good idea, pschulz01.
[10:13:13] <pschulz01> ANother idea.. I have some other ideas as well, like creating a tool to automatically upload software onto a USB keys. USB's can then be sold at an event, and preloaded with software like 'PortableApps'. It's not stricly Ubuntu, but promoting FLOSS software.
[10:13:15] <rob> sounds good
[10:13:27] <Fujitsu> A nice idea, pschulz01!
[10:13:29] <rendhalver> spiffy
[10:13:35] <rob> umm what about the OpenCD pschulz01? much cheaper
[10:13:40] <Fujitsu> True.
[10:13:48] <YukiCuss> pschulz01, it'll be good if we brand it as a work of the Ubuntu AU team anyway, as it will be promotion for us too.
[10:13:50] <rendhalver> i have server space i can put stuff on if needed
[10:14:02] <rob> we can add branding to the OpenCD via stickers etc
[10:14:06] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, neat. Though, we have plenty on ubuntu.com.au.
[10:14:08] <Fujitsu> rendhalver, we have a dedicated server :)
[10:14:13] <rendhalver> cool
[10:14:13] <pschulz01> I love TheOpenCD,, but I have to get them somehow..
[10:14:15] <ndazza> the ubuntu live cds currently have a small windows gizmo on it with some FLOSS and ubuntu-type stuff... maybe that could be migrated for this project
[10:14:23] <rendhalver> i have one for my business
[10:14:25] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[10:14:31] <Fujitsu> This has sort of migrated to another point.
[10:14:37] <rob> pschulz01, well I have a couple here, but around SFD they create a new one
[10:14:39] <rendhalver> its likely to have lots of linuxy stuff on there anyway
[10:15:05] <rob> rendhalver, no, its all windows FOSS apps plus Ubuntu live
[10:15:16] <pschulz01> I would love to distibute a 'TheOpenCD' branded for unbuntu-au..
[10:15:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> rob: so it's a rebranded ubuntu live?
[10:15:31] <Fujitsu> pschulz01, perhaps.
[10:15:36] <rendhalver> yep i have seen those
[10:15:51] <Fujitsu> So ours will be a rebranded rebranded Ubuntu LiveCD :)
[10:15:52] <pschulz01> Thanks for that everyone. Please add your ideas to the page when I sort that out.
[10:15:58] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:16:00] <rendhalver> cool
[10:16:02] <pschulz01> That is all.
[10:16:03] <rob> Kamping_Kaiser, kind of.. but also contains Windows FOSS apps that are install-able off the cd
[10:16:07] <Fujitsu> Anybody have anything to say on the website?
[10:16:09] <Phlosten> are these going to be nice looking printed cd's?
[10:16:13] <ndazza> rob: so does ubuntu live
[10:16:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> rob: so *more* winfoss... (anway, OT)
[10:16:30] <rob> possibly
[10:16:41] <ndazza> Kamping_Kaiser: the open cd has more stuff for windows and a minimal ubuntu live, the idea is that the ubuntu live has equivalent versions of the windows stuff
[10:16:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ndazza: right oh
[10:17:01] <Fujitsu> Anything on the website, or do we move onto the next point?
[10:17:12] <pschulz01> Thanks...
[10:17:14] <YukiCuss> Fujitsu, we need to get it up. As simple as that.
[10:17:14] <rendhalver> do we really need a webpage when we have the wiki page?
[10:17:29] <YukiCuss> pschulz01, thank you!
[10:17:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> website yes, forums no (imo)
[10:17:36] <rob> its not as important as we speak English here..
[10:17:38] <Fujitsu> rendhalver, the webpage can easily disseminate a lot of information.
[10:17:43] <Fujitsu> It isn't as important, no.
[10:17:44] <rendhalver> i guess it depends what we want to put on it
[10:17:54] <rob> most other countries have localized docs etc on their web sites
[10:17:56] <Fujitsu> However, wiki pages can be quite limiting.
[10:18:01] <YukiCuss> At the moment, I think a mailinglist works for us. People have been communicating well on it thus far.
[10:18:11] <Fujitsu> A mailing list is fine for the moment.
[10:18:13] <Fujitsu> Evening, bimberi.
[10:18:15] <YukiCuss> bimberi!
[10:18:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> i would prefer linking to an ubuntu au site then a wiki for 'offical info'
[10:18:38] <bimberi> gah, couldn't sneak in late could i - hi all :)
[10:18:48] <rob> all good bimberi
[10:18:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi bimberi
[10:19:09] <YukiCuss> Kamping_Kaiser, wouldn't the Wiki be the less official place?
[10:19:11] <ndazza> i like the pure-wiki idea
[10:19:13] <YukiCuss> Considering its dynamic nature.
[10:19:20] <Fujitsu> Well, I think a dedicated Ubuntu-AU website is probably useful.
[10:19:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> YukiCuss: yeh.
[10:19:29] <Fujitsu> A huge number of wiki pages can get very messy.
[10:19:34] <YukiCuss> ndazza, I believe that, even a pure-wiki is alright, but we should host our own. wiki.ubuntu.com will get crowded.
[10:19:40] <Fujitsu> And can be edited by everybody...
[10:19:56] <rendhalver> and the wiki isn't hosted in .au so website would be quicker
[10:19:58] <quail_linux> sort of here atm
[10:20:00] <YukiCuss> Fujitsu, it's proven, that is not an issue.
[10:20:09] <rendhalver> i am guessing the server is in .au?
[10:20:14] <YukiCuss> rendhalver, no, actually.
[10:20:15] <rob> rendhalver, hardly
[10:20:18] <rendhalver> ah
[10:20:19] <YukiCuss> We're sharing it with a few other places.
[10:20:19] <Fujitsu> rendhalver, no.
[10:20:21] <ndazza> k, so what audience is the website meant to address? members or the general public?
[10:20:28] <Fujitsu> ndazza, everybody.
[10:20:36] <Phlosten> i like the idea of a website that could host tutorials and thing written by our team
[10:20:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> ndazza: those busnesses we want to talk to ;0
[10:20:41] <cef> perhaps then a wiki with a front end webpage - that way it looks official and would stop random people editing the first impression people get of us
[10:21:10] <ndazza> Phlosten: i think a wiki serves that purpose just as well, if not better
[10:21:23] <YukiCuss> cef, I think a Wiki could allow us a resource to lock the front page somehow.
[10:21:27] <ndazza> cef: good idea
[10:21:32] <Fujitsu> Probably, YukiCuss.
[10:21:42] <rendhalver> some wiki's do that dont they?
[10:21:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can lock wiki pages
[10:21:45] <rob> YukiCuss, good luck.. its hard to get anyone onto that
[10:21:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> in wikipedia
[10:22:00] <Fujitsu> rob, what do you mean?
[10:22:11] <cef> YukiCuss: some do.. .not sure on moin though.. last I looked at moin I found nothing on how to lock pages
[10:22:28] <rendhalver> depends on the wiki i think
[10:22:28] <rob> UserDocumentation isn't locked from memory, and should be
[10:22:36] <Phlosten> generally i dont like wiki's
[10:22:41] <YukiCuss> cef, hmm, administration might provide, but still, noted..
[10:22:45] <rendhalver> i know dokuwiki does acl
[10:22:47] <ndazza> I like the idea of using a website to provide information to the public, it's more presentable/flexible
[10:22:58] <rob> Moin does acl too, it just the docteam doesn't control it
[10:23:00] <rendhalver> yeah
[10:23:07] <ndazza> the wiki can be for quick member-oriented stuff or collaborative efforts
[10:23:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> wikis and cms's both have issues that can be realy anoying for simple static content (which is what i think ubuntu-au should be)
[10:23:35] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[10:23:42] <rendhalver> and we cant customise the wiki much
[10:23:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't want another login :s
[10:23:54] <cef> ubuntu uses moinmoin, and wikipedia uses mediawiki. we probably want to stick with moinmoin really, that way we can easily snarf/adapt/push-pull content back and forth (if we go separate that is)
[10:23:54] <Fujitsu> Kamping_Kaiser, true.
[10:24:09] <Phlosten> Kamping_Kaiser, ditto
[10:24:14] <rendhalver> if we are tricky we can auth against launchpad :)
[10:24:22] <rob> stick with moin if going to split, I'd not like to see a split though
[10:24:32] <Fujitsu> I think we need a seperate wiki, as wiki.ubuntu.com will get cluttered and messy.
[10:24:33] <rendhalver> ther is a cool apache mod that lets you do that
[10:25:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> if ubuntu-au wants a playground, do i t in our wiki space from ubuntu. try and keep our site as static (backned wise) as possible
[10:25:13] <rendhalver> but that requires actual access to the apache server
[10:25:15] <cef> rob: I don't see the point really. if we use a static front page, it removes the need to lock pages, (which is the real issue I guess)
[10:25:38] <Fujitsu> OK, so can we have an idea of who likes which?
[10:25:56] <rob> moin for compatibilty, familiurarity
[10:26:04] <rob> bah futurama
[10:26:12] <kev1n> i am not tech savvy...so i will refrain from giving an opinion on this one
[10:26:16] * bimberi prefers moin
[10:26:20] <bimberi> rob: get a tivo!
[10:26:28] <rob> heh yep
[10:26:33] <ndazza> i like static front page/informational pages for the general public, ubuntu wiki for everything else
[10:26:49] <Fujitsu> I mean, more along the lines of stick with wiki.ubuntu.com, seperate wiki, or seperate website...
[10:26:51] <cef> I'm with ndazza on that one
[10:26:52] <rob> +1 ndazza
[10:27:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ndazza: +1
[10:27:10] <Fujitsu> There is a fair bit of stuff which would best be presented as a classic website.
[10:27:17] <Fujitsu> ndazza: +1.
[10:27:34] <rendhalver> wiki is good for the collaboration stuff but an actual website will be good for general public
[10:27:45] <Fujitsu> Anybody else here to vote?
[10:28:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> Attached Files
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