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== Agenda ==
 1. Introductions
 1. Announcements
 1. Team Reports
  a. [[ArizonaTeam/Teams/Education|Education Team]]
  a. [[ArizonaTeam/Teams/Server|Server Team]]
 1. Agenda for next week

== Log ==
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Oct 21 21:05:16 <johnc4510>	ok, lets get started then
Oct 21 21:05:25 <SloggerKhan>	i have a gray background for it.
Oct 21 21:06:02 <johnc4510>	we usually start with introductions of new members, so kennymc0_ could you tell a little something about yourself please
Oct 21 21:07:14 <Polygon89>	whee
Oct 21 21:07:21 <johnc4510>	hmm
Oct 21 21:07:25 <kennymc0_>	uhh
Oct 21 21:07:37 <johnc4510>	could you introduce yourself please
Oct 21 21:07:43 <kennymc0_>	i go to devry
Oct 21 21:07:45 <johnc4510>	as a new member
Oct 21 21:08:06 <johnc4510>	k
Oct 21 21:08:08 <kennymc0_>	i even get to take a final exam at 7 in the morning tomorrow
Oct 21 21:08:13 <johnc4510>	ah
Oct 21 21:08:22 <johnc4510>	how long using ubuntu
Oct 21 21:08:38 <kennymc0_>	i think close to 2 years now
Oct 21 21:08:53 <johnc4510>	kenny is also word's brother for those of you who don't know
Oct 21 21:09:12 <tyche>	And we could always get word to tell us about him.
Oct 21 21:09:14 <tyche>	Hee hee
Oct 21 21:09:15 <johnc4510>	kennymc0_, welcome to the team, glad to have you
Oct 21 21:09:19 <kennymc0_>	thx
Oct 21 21:09:27 <johnc4510>	any other new members?
Oct 21 21:09:41 <johnc4510>	paul928, have you introduced yourself before?
Oct 21 21:09:55 <Theou>	I guess I am new.  This is the first meeting I've managed to make.
Oct 21 21:09:56 <paul928>	it's been awhile.
Oct 21 21:10:06 <t00na>	Is the meeting starting?
Oct 21 21:10:12 <johnc4510>	paul928, why don't you go again
Oct 21 21:10:15 <johnc4510>	t00na, yes
Oct 21 21:10:19 <t00na>	Oh.
Oct 21 21:10:21 <paul928>	Anyway I'm Paul Westerman from Yuma
Oct 21 21:10:28 <t00na>	Hi Paul.
Oct 21 21:10:31 <johnc4510>	welcome paul
Oct 21 21:10:41 <t00na>	I just did.
Oct 21 21:10:44 <paul928>	I've beeen using Ubuntu since Warty
Oct 21 21:10:47 <johnc4510>	ah
Oct 21 21:10:49 <tyche>	Hi, paul928
Oct 21 21:10:50 <johnc4510>	long time
Oct 21 21:10:51 <t00na>	:O
Oct 21 21:11:10 <paul928>	hello all
Oct 21 21:11:12 <t00na>	That's like, before Mark Shuttleworth used it!
Oct 21 21:11:14 <johnc4510>	:)
Oct 21 21:11:41 <johnc4510>	k, welcome paul928 and thanks for coming by again
Oct 21 21:11:43 <johnc4510>	:)
Oct 21 21:11:54 <johnc4510>	Theou, how about you now please
Oct 21 21:12:05 <Theou>	I am Mark from Phoenix.  A native.
Oct 21 21:12:18 <t00na>	Hi Mark.
Oct 21 21:12:18 <paul928>	I usually remember the meeting...about Monday morning
Oct 21 21:12:18 <Theou>	I've been using Ubuntu since just before 6.10 came out.  
Oct 21 21:12:28 <johnc4510>	paul928, :)
Oct 21 21:12:34 <t00na>	Cool.
Oct 21 21:12:35 <johnc4510>	nice Theou 
Oct 21 21:12:49 <Polygon89>	welcome
Oct 21 21:12:54 <Theou>	Danke
Oct 21 21:12:58 <tyche>	Hi, Theou
Oct 21 21:12:59 <johnc4510>	yes welcome Theou 
Oct 21 21:13:13 <johnc4510>	ok, next announcements
Oct 21 21:13:16 <t00na>	:O Theou spoke German!
Oct 21 21:13:30 <Theou>	Heh.
Oct 21 21:13:36 <br24>	I think many people can
Oct 21 21:13:41 <johnc4510>	is everyone using gutsy now     +1 is yes  -1 if no
Oct 21 21:13:47 <tyche>	+1
Oct 21 21:13:52 <johnc4510>	+1
Oct 21 21:13:52 <Theou>	+1
Oct 21 21:13:56 <t00na>	-1, but I will when I get a new hard drive
Oct 21 21:14:02 <johnc4510>	cool
Oct 21 21:14:07 <SloggerKhan>	+1/0 (2 installs. not fully switched)
Oct 21 21:14:15 <johnc4510>	nice
Oct 21 21:14:16 <paul928>	-1 kind of
Oct 21 21:14:20 <kennymc0_>	+1
Oct 21 21:14:28 <br24>	+1
Oct 21 21:14:30 *	t00na feels so alone...
Oct 21 21:14:37 <johnc4510>	cool, it looks like most everyone then
Oct 21 21:14:58 <johnc4510>	any problems you've solve that could be share with the team?
Oct 21 21:14:58 <Theou>	I just upgraded last night.
Oct 21 21:15:00 <Polygon89>	+1
Oct 21 21:15:02 <Polygon89>	:D
Oct 21 21:15:07 <Theou>	No problems.
Oct 21 21:15:11 <johnc4510>	anyone
Oct 21 21:15:17 <tyche>	Mine went smooth
Oct 21 21:15:25 <t00na>	Um... I think that the very last beta or release candidate was the same as the final release
Oct 21 21:15:35 <br24>	I just need to setup ndiswrapper on my laptop
Oct 21 21:15:45 <johnc4510>	i had some install problems but got past those     now i'm having nvidia problems
Oct 21 21:15:51 <paul928>	The upgrade broke X
Oct 21 21:15:56 <johnc4510>	resolution issures
Oct 21 21:16:00 <kennymc0_>	word screwed up the upgrade so i had to format and start from scratch
Oct 21 21:16:08 <paul928>	NVidia problems here also
Oct 21 21:16:15 <SloggerKhan>	no out of the box dual monitor support for me.
Oct 21 21:16:20 <tyche>	for once, I had no NVidia problems
Oct 21 21:16:22 <tyche>	yet
Oct 21 21:16:24 *	jsonder (n=chatzill@ip68-231-151-57.tc.ph.cox.net) has joined #ubuntu-arizona
Oct 21 21:16:27 <Theou>	I guess I lucked out.  My server doesn't run any X at all.
Oct 21 21:16:30 <johnc4510>	i can't seem to get the drivers to recognize the correct screen resolutions
Oct 21 21:16:30 <br24>	I have 2 systems using nvidia, and no problems
Oct 21 21:16:33 <Polygon89>	no problems here
Oct 21 21:16:43 <johnc4510>	br24, what cards?
Oct 21 21:17:30 <br24>	couldnt say at the moment
Oct 21 21:17:34 <johnc4510>	ok,  well it seems everyone is pretty happy with gutsy so far then, right?
Oct 21 21:17:36 <br24>	have to look them up
Oct 21 21:17:38 <johnc4510>	k
Oct 21 21:17:40 <paul928>	john4510- I had the same problem with NVidia 5200 on upgrade, no problem there with fresh install
Oct 21 21:17:53 <johnc4510>	paul928, ty, 
Oct 21 21:18:08 <johnc4510>	i'm please overall with gutsy
Oct 21 21:18:19 <johnc4510>	lots of nice new things to play with and
Oct 21 21:18:31 <johnc4510>	it is running very smoothly so far
Oct 21 21:18:32 <johnc4510>	:)
Oct 21 21:18:38 <johnc4510>	another hit i think
Oct 21 21:18:42 <tyche>	Seems a bit faster, too
Oct 21 21:18:45 <SloggerKhan>	Yeah, it runs very smooth.
Oct 21 21:18:49 <Polygon89>	it is
Oct 21 21:18:54 <SloggerKhan>	GUI responsiveness seems better.
Oct 21 21:19:00 <Polygon89>	too bad compiz doesnt run with fglrx
Oct 21 21:19:10 <Polygon89>	but i need 3d more then i do cool windows :D
Oct 21 21:19:24 <johnc4510>	as most of you know i also work on the UWN and the blog and news section is full of great articles on the gutsy release
Oct 21 21:19:31 <johnc4510>	almost all positive
Oct 21 21:19:33 <Polygon89>	uwn?
Oct 21 21:19:34 <johnc4510>	:)
Oct 21 21:19:43 <johnc4510>	Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter
Oct 21 21:19:46 <Polygon89>	ah
Oct 21 21:19:53 <johnc4510>	it goes out all over the Ubuntu World
Oct 21 21:20:07 <johnc4510>	ok, next then
Oct 21 21:20:14 <johnc4510>	br24, ed team?
Oct 21 21:20:45 <br24>	we had a short Edu team meeting Fri night
Oct 21 21:21:07 <br24>	tyche is typing descriptions on several apps, and is doing a wonderful job at it
Oct 21 21:21:24 <br24>	Polygon89, can you give everyone any info on screencasts?
Oct 21 21:21:35 <johnc4510>	the ed team is set up to provide support for new members, it is just starting out : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArizonaTeam/Teams/Education  and the team is working on this support page
Oct 21 21:21:44 <Polygon89>	i can use vbox now
Oct 21 21:21:48 <Polygon89>	now that the kernel isnt updating every day
Oct 21 21:22:43 <johnc4510>	br24, when might we see some of the stuff tyche has put together up on the page?
Oct 21 21:22:50 <br24>	so how far along with getting to know about screencasts are you?
Oct 21 21:22:50 <Polygon89>	gonna see if i can run the recorder program any better cuase of gutsy
Oct 21 21:22:51 <johnc4510>	i can help with that if needed
Oct 21 21:23:09 <br24>	we should have some info on our wiki hopefully this week
Oct 21 21:23:14 <johnc4510>	cool
Oct 21 21:23:19 <br24>	a couple things to straighten out first
Oct 21 21:23:22 <johnc4510>	k
Oct 21 21:23:27 <br24>	jsonder, are you here?
Oct 21 21:23:31 <jsonder>	yup
Oct 21 21:23:34 <Polygon89>	ideas for screencasts are welconme
Oct 21 21:23:41 <Polygon89>	btw** :D
Oct 21 21:23:44 <br24>	any progress on a basic guide so far?
Oct 21 21:23:50 <jsonder>	I like the vieo one one the help 
Oct 21 21:24:09 <johnc4510>	?
Oct 21 21:24:21 <jsonder>	I have a little laid out , but it is drawing on the ubuntu wiki
Oct 21 21:24:36 <jsonder>	*can't type*
Oct 21 21:24:42 <Polygon89>	for a screencast?
Oct 21 21:24:48 <Polygon89>	or the guide
Oct 21 21:24:53 <johnc4510>	jsonder, that's good, we need to use those resources as much as possible
Oct 21 21:25:02 <jsonder>	No, I was looking at the available screencasts
Oct 21 21:25:18 <Polygon89>	oh?
Oct 21 21:25:24 <br24>	okay
Oct 21 21:25:34 <jsonder>	The straight text-driven stuff is pretty dry
Oct 21 21:25:38 <br24>	do you have anything to say about the guide?
Oct 21 21:25:52 <Polygon89>	ok
Oct 21 21:25:53 <br24>	yeah I do agree with that
Oct 21 21:26:20 <jsonder>	nope but I'll have an un-htmled page to you in 2 days if i can fit stuff in tyches system.
Oct 21 21:26:28 <tyche>	br24: I saw some of the stuff jsonder is talking about.  We may be able to just link to it.
Oct 21 21:26:29 <br24>	very good
Oct 21 21:26:35 <br24>	good idea
Oct 21 21:26:38 <johnc4510>	nice
Oct 21 21:26:39 <johnc4510>	:)
Oct 21 21:26:49 <tyche>	jsonder: you have mail.  The instructions.
Oct 21 21:26:54 <br24>	everyone, any ideas or thoughts are always welcome
Oct 21 21:26:57 <jsonder>	I sent you a response
Oct 21 21:27:09 <br24>	thats all I have
Oct 21 21:27:11 <johnc4510>	kk
Oct 21 21:27:20 <johnc4510>	anyone have any questions for br24 
Oct 21 21:27:26 <johnc4510>	about the ed team
Oct 21 21:27:40 <jsonder>	There is a lot of stuff available on the wiki
Oct 21 21:27:56 <Theou>	I'm not really up to speed on what they do.  I'll read the wiki page mentioned earlier.
Oct 21 21:28:02 <jsonder>	we should use what is worth while
Oct 21 21:28:48 <jsonder>	https://help.ubuntu.com/
Oct 21 21:29:37 <jsonder>	Where did everyone go to?
Oct 21 21:29:43 <johnc4510>	k, thx to br24  and the ed team for all the hard work so far     it's much appreciated :)
Oct 21 21:29:46 <johnc4510>	sorry
Oct 21 21:29:57 <johnc4510>	ok, next the server team
Oct 21 21:30:17 <johnc4510>	slofgren, is busy with family stuff tonight so i'm stepping in
Oct 21 21:30:39 <johnc4510>	server address: 12.159.65.83
Oct 21 21:30:52 <jsonder>	whatch where you put your feet.
Oct 21 21:30:56 <johnc4510>	we have a basic setup now
Oct 21 21:31:32 <johnc4510>	anyone wanting access to the server should email slofgren at    slofgren@gemail.com
Oct 21 21:31:48 <johnc4510>	he will set you up with basic access via ssh
Oct 21 21:31:50 <Polygon89>	any news on when we are gonna get a new hd? xD
Oct 21 21:31:55 <johnc4510>	no
Oct 21 21:32:06 <johnc4510>	but slofgren and i have been discussing it
Oct 21 21:32:09 <johnc4510>	and
Oct 21 21:32:21 <johnc4510>	we are going to get this one set up first then
Oct 21 21:32:44 <johnc4510>	image it to a new hd and see about getting that installed then
Oct 21 21:32:59 <johnc4510>	it's hard for us to get physical access to the server 
Oct 21 21:33:02 <johnc4510>	so
Oct 21 21:33:13 <Polygon89>	oh
Oct 21 21:33:23 <johnc4510>	when we do we want to be ready to do all of what is needed at one time
Oct 21 21:33:28 <jsonder>	john4510: should that be slofgren@gmail.com   ?
Oct 21 21:33:35 <johnc4510>	without interupting the current setup
Oct 21 21:33:40 <johnc4510>	yes
Oct 21 21:33:53 <Polygon89>	where is it
Oct 21 21:34:11 <johnc4510>	phoenix in some tech server facility
Oct 21 21:34:22 <paul928>	where's the server located.....physically?
Oct 21 21:34:33 <johnc4510>	but the lug is the one who has access
Oct 21 21:34:36 <johnc4510>	you see
Oct 21 21:34:45 <Polygon89>	oh
Oct 21 21:34:54 <johnc4510>	the delvry lug donated the use of the server to us
Oct 21 21:34:56 <johnc4510>	and 
Oct 21 21:34:56 <Polygon89>	hence the reason why it took so long to get set up?
Oct 21 21:34:58 <Polygon89>	ah
Oct 21 21:35:02 <johnc4510>	right
Oct 21 21:35:18 <johnc4510>	they are the ones with physical access to the machine
Oct 21 21:35:20 <johnc4510>	:)
Oct 21 21:35:39 <johnc4510>	so, we have to work through them at their convenience
Oct 21 21:35:45 <johnc4510>	but still
Oct 21 21:35:52 <johnc4510>	it is a good deal for us
Oct 21 21:36:01 <johnc4510>	free server access
Oct 21 21:36:01 <Polygon89>	yeah
Oct 21 21:36:02 <paul928>	maybe we need to buy a server? with our own access?
Oct 21 21:36:03 <johnc4510>	:)
Oct 21 21:36:23 <johnc4510>	paul928, that would be great    the problem is $'s
Oct 21 21:36:25 <johnc4510>	:)
Oct 21 21:36:39 <jsonder>	hosting costs too
Oct 21 21:36:39 <johnc4510>	ok, next
Oct 21 21:36:56 <paul928>	what does the ariza group need the server for?
Oct 21 21:36:59 <johnc4510>	this wk, i'm going to buy the domain name
Oct 21 21:37:38 <johnc4510>	paul928, we plan to use it for team support and helping to bring the lugs of the state closer together
Oct 21 21:37:42 <johnc4510>	and
Oct 21 21:37:55 <johnc4510>	anything else we can think of
Oct 21 21:38:01 <johnc4510>	down the road
Oct 21 21:38:10 <johnc4510>	back to the domain name 
Oct 21 21:38:22 <johnc4510>	we had already decided on
Oct 21 21:38:34 <johnc4510>	azloco.org
Oct 21 21:38:42 <johnc4510>	short and sweet
Oct 21 21:38:48 <johnc4510>	i may also buy
Oct 21 21:38:54 <johnc4510>	azloco.com
Oct 21 21:39:10 <paul928>	is it available? both of them/
Oct 21 21:39:11 <johnc4510>	to round out our addresses
Oct 21 21:39:14 <johnc4510>	yes
Oct 21 21:39:48 <Polygon89>	domains are cheap
Oct 21 21:39:53 <johnc4510>	so after i get them bought and set up we will be official
Oct 21 21:39:58 <johnc4510>	now
Oct 21 21:40:18 <johnc4510>	we need to start getting a front page going on the server
Oct 21 21:40:22 <johnc4510>	note
Oct 21 21:40:40 <johnc4510>	we are not going to use wordpress or drupal to start with because
Oct 21 21:40:53 <johnc4510>	our hd is very small in size 
Oct 21 21:40:55 <johnc4510>	so
Oct 21 21:41:19 <johnc4510>	we need to people with html experience to help in that area
Oct 21 21:41:38 <SloggerKhan>	css
Oct 21 21:41:46 <SloggerKhan>	?
Oct 21 21:41:51 <johnc4510>	yes   we could use css
Oct 21 21:41:56 <johnc4510>	the templates
Oct 21 21:42:26 <johnc4510>	http://12.159.65.83/~johnc4510/
Oct 21 21:42:28 <SloggerKhan>	I don't know too much about webpages. CSS is like a form of html, right?
Oct 21 21:42:40 <johnc4510>	that's what i used at that link to the server
Oct 21 21:42:50 <johnc4510>	SloggerKhan, yes
Oct 21 21:42:56 <jsonder>	cascading style sheets are an improvement
Oct 21 21:43:07 <johnc4510>	but i am kind of limited on my knowledge of html
Oct 21 21:43:09 <Polygon89>	css is easy to learn
Oct 21 21:43:13 <Polygon89>	its like html
Oct 21 21:43:21 <Polygon89>	and there are great guides on w3c
Oct 21 21:43:21 <johnc4510>	so i haven't gotten too far
Oct 21 21:43:42 <johnc4510>	ok, well, we need some help in this area so
Oct 21 21:43:52 <johnc4510>	i'm asking for some volunteers   :)
Oct 21 21:44:08 <johnc4510>	btw
Oct 21 21:44:16 <Polygon89>	help in what area
Oct 21 21:44:18 <johnc4510>	this doesn't have to be really fancy
Oct 21 21:44:34 <johnc4510>	Polygon89, at setting up a front server page for the team
Oct 21 21:44:39 <jsonder>	css for server
Oct 21 21:44:52 <johnc4510>	for the intro page
Oct 21 21:44:54 <jsonder>	a couple of templets
Oct 21 21:45:12 <johnc4510>	where we will link to other pages 
Oct 21 21:45:13 <johnc4510>	like
Oct 21 21:45:20 <SloggerKhan>	Oh,
Oct 21 21:45:21 <johnc4510>	the ed team support page
Oct 21 21:45:25 <SloggerKhan>	I was messing around.
Oct 21 21:45:28 <johnc4510>	our team wiki
Oct 21 21:45:34 <SloggerKhan>	I made a mockup, but I don't really like it.
Oct 21 21:45:36 <johnc4510>	and other things
Oct 21 21:45:43 <johnc4510>	oh
Oct 21 21:45:50 <SloggerKhan>	I think we'd talked about it last week.
Oct 21 21:46:13 <SloggerKhan>	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=584696
Oct 21 21:46:27 <SloggerKhan>	It makes me think of standardized tests.
Oct 21 21:46:27 <johnc4510>	ok, kennymc0_ word seems to have a lot of knowledge about webpages     you think he might be interested?
Oct 21 21:47:27 <johnc4510>	slofgren, yeah, it's not exactly what i had in mind     but nice all the same
Oct 21 21:47:44 <Polygon89>	hmm
Oct 21 21:47:45 <Polygon89>	maybe
Oct 21 21:48:10 <johnc4510>	ok, well, i'll try to get some help on this project during the next wk
Oct 21 21:48:19 <johnc4510>	hopefully 
Oct 21 21:48:40 <johnc4510>	by next meeting we'll have some kind of project started
Oct 21 21:49:01 <johnc4510>	anyone have anything else they want to discuss?
Oct 21 21:49:16 <paul928>	john4510-have you considered outside hosting? I'n using nearlyfreespeech.net and the cost is for me is about a dollar/month including a mysql server
Oct 21 21:50:01 <johnc4510>	that's not bad, can you email me the particulars at    johnc4510-cox@ubuntu.net
Oct 21 21:50:04 <johnc4510>	?
Oct 21 21:50:04 <paul928>	They seem to host several Ubuntu related sites
Oct 21 21:50:08 <johnc4510>	k
Oct 21 21:50:12 <jsonder>	paul928:  What is the useage?
Oct 21 21:50:57 <johnc4510>	paul928, did you get the above?
Oct 21 21:51:11 <jsonder>	monthly bandwidth consumption
Oct 21 21:51:21 <paul928>	they charge for storage .001 per MB and bandwidth,  .001/ MB
Oct 21 21:51:34 <johnc4510>	ah 
Oct 21 21:51:36 <johnc4510>	ok
Oct 21 21:52:00 <jsonder>	$.001 or 0.001?
Oct 21 21:52:08 <johnc4510>	can you shot some particulars or a link or something like that so we can look it over?
Oct 21 21:52:16 <johnc4510>	s/shot/shoot
Oct 21 21:52:18 <paul928>	But they run FreeBSD on their servers that are located in the Phoenix area.
Oct 21 21:52:35 <johnc4510>	well, that's at least open source
Oct 21 21:52:36 <johnc4510>	so
Oct 21 21:52:41 <johnc4510>	it would be ok
Oct 21 21:52:45 <paul928>	1 cent per MB
Oct 21 21:53:11 <johnc4510>	i know that drupal is around 50mb by itself
Oct 21 21:53:34 <johnc4510>	wordpress might be a little less
Oct 21 21:53:36 <johnc4510>	not sure
Oct 21 21:53:42 <paul928>	and 1 cent per day for the mysql server, I'm hosting several Drupal sites there
Oct 21 21:54:19 <johnc4510>	paul928, can you give me a link to their page so i can look it over?
Oct 21 21:54:36 <johnc4510>	the main page showing prices etc
Oct 21 21:54:59 <Polygon89>	hmm
Oct 21 21:55:03 <paul928>	https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/
Oct 21 21:55:10 <johnc4510>	ok, anything else that you want to discuss?
Oct 21 21:55:13 <johnc4510>	paul928, ty
Oct 21 21:56:20 <johnc4510>	ok, then meeting over,   thanks to the new and returning members, we're glad to have you here, feel free to hang out in the channel and get to know us better :)
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