<> = Agenda = 1. Introductions 1. Team Reports a. Membership a. Web Design a. Newsletter a. WINE/VMware 1. Proposed Teams a. Computer Recycle/Localization a. Server a. Thread Team 1. Logo and Trademark Restrictions = Log = {{{ Sun,29.04.2007|18:04( johnc4510) Meeting to order if you please. Thanks Sun,29.04.2007|18:05( johnc4510) 1st item intro of new people Sun,29.04.2007|18:05( johnc4510) huertanix: would you mind saying a few words Sun,29.04.2007|18:05( huertanix) sure Sun,29.04.2007|18:06( huertanix) Hello everyone, I'm David Huerta, current President of the DeLUG, the DeVry Linux Users Group in Phoenix. Sun,29.04.2007|18:06( johnc4510) huertanix: welcome Sun,29.04.2007|18:06( huertanix) thanks Sun,29.04.2007|18:07( johnc4510) huertanix: anything else we should know Sun,29.04.2007|18:08( huertanix) Not much else from me for an introduction that I can think of. I just upgraded to Fesity Faun, but use Slackware predominantly. Sun,29.04.2007|18:08( johnc4510) great, and welcome to ubuntu arizona Sun,29.04.2007|18:08( huertanix) Thanks again Sun,29.04.2007|18:09( johnc4510) trmentry: your new i believe can we hear from you please Sun,29.04.2007|18:09( trmentry) sure Sun,29.04.2007|18:09( johnc4510) have at it Sun,29.04.2007|18:10( trmentry) hello. I'm chris. i'm currently a cisco/juniper person at a large telcom company in the valley. i finally got around to upgrading to fiesty on my main rig. I have 2 other servers running gentoo. and 1 ipcop box under the table. :) Sun,29.04.2007|18:11( johnc4510) trmentry: diversity for trmentry Sun,29.04.2007|18:11( johnc4510) welcome Sun,29.04.2007|18:11( trmentry) thx Sun,29.04.2007|18:12( johnc4510) DX00: your first meeting even though you've been around the irc here how about you Sun,29.04.2007|18:12( DX00) hello everyone Sun,29.04.2007|18:12( johnc4510) hi Sun,29.04.2007|18:12( SloggerKhan) howdy Sun,29.04.2007|18:12( DX00) My name is robert nieto and i work as the IT guy for one of the valleys govn't entities Sun,29.04.2007|18:13( DX00) i've been a fan of ubuntu since i learn there was one Sun,29.04.2007|18:13( johnc4510) glad you came Sun,29.04.2007|18:13( DX00) thnx Sun,29.04.2007|18:14( johnc4510) okay , i think that takes care of the new people Sun,29.04.2007|18:14( johnc4510) on to the agenda and the 1st item Sun,29.04.2007|18:14( johnc4510) Membership Team Sun,29.04.2007|18:14( johnc4510) Team Leader-Ianmcorvidae Team Member-Polygon89 Team Member-Azteech Sun,29.04.2007|18:14( johnc4510) ian can you bring us up to date on things Sun,29.04.2007|18:14( ianmcorvidae) Sure. Sun,29.04.2007|18:15( johnc4510) thanks' Sun,29.04.2007|18:15( ianmcorvidae) At the moment, we're still mostly working on communication and getting up to planning stuff. Sun,29.04.2007|18:15( ianmcorvidae) Made a Wiki page at ArizonaTeam/Teams/Membership, have that done. Sun,29.04.2007|18:15( ianmcorvidae) Lots of ideas floating around on the forums. Sun,29.04.2007|18:16( johnc4510) Ian and his team have just finished the initial layout of the Membership Team's Wiki Page. It can be found here:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArizonaTeam/Teams/Membership That was fast work for the initial layout Ian. Congrats to you and your team. I'll be watching this page for furture upgrades!! Sun,29.04.2007|18:16( ianmcorvidae) Beyond that, just looking for ideas and people to do them; I'd say especially in Phoenix, as all our current members, are in Tucson. Sun,29.04.2007|18:16( ianmcorvidae) Get rid of that last comma. Sorry. Sun,29.04.2007|18:16( johnc4510) anything else we need to know about ian? Sun,29.04.2007|18:16( ianmcorvidae) Anyway, nothing much going on beyond 'Let's figure out what we're doing' Sun,29.04.2007|18:16( ianmcorvidae) Not that I'm aware. Sun,29.04.2007|18:17( johnc4510) okay thanks Sun,29.04.2007|18:17( johnc4510) next item web design team Sun,29.04.2007|18:17( ToddB) Do we have one? Sun,29.04.2007|18:17( ianmcorvidae) Some sort of one, yeah. Sun,29.04.2007|18:17( johnc4510) slick is at a family thing so i will fill in Sun,29.04.2007|18:17( johnc4510) Web Design Team Sun,29.04.2007|18:17( johnc4510) Team Leader-SlickMcRunfast Team Member-ToddB Team Member-Sloggerkhan Sun,29.04.2007|18:18( johnc4510) The Web Design has been working on the main wiki page. Keep up the good work guys. Main wiki page here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArizonaTeam/ The logo shown on the wiki pages is not permanent. It is there to show one option. Others will be shown until we decide on one. Sun,29.04.2007|18:18( johnc4510) we will talk about the logo a little later Sun,29.04.2007|18:18( johnc4510) on the agenda Sun,29.04.2007|18:18( johnc4510) since slick isn't here i guess that's about all Sun,29.04.2007|18:18( johnc4510) next item Sun,29.04.2007|18:19( johnc4510) Wine/VMWare team Sun,29.04.2007|18:19( johnc4510) Wine/VMWare Team Sun,29.04.2007|18:19( johnc4510) Team Leader-br24 Sun,29.04.2007|18:19( br24) thanks Sun,29.04.2007|18:19( johnc4510) This team has been established, and it looks like Wine will be the first up for study by the team. Both Wine and VMWare will be worked on, but only one at a time. This team will be responsible for implementing a how to for the members to use. I also think we should incorported it into the forums as a way of giving back to the community. I give the floor now to br24 who will head this team. Sun,29.04.2007|18:19( johnc4510) is that correct br? Sun,29.04.2007|18:20( br24) correct Sun,29.04.2007|18:20( johnc4510) any progress so far? Sun,29.04.2007|18:20( br24) right now I am exploring ideas on what to present Sun,29.04.2007|18:20( br24) so far I am working on finding apps that are windows exclusive Sun,29.04.2007|18:20( johnc4510) sounds good we all look forward to hearing from you Sun,29.04.2007|18:21( br24) how to install & configure wine Sun,29.04.2007|18:21( br24) any known issues Sun,29.04.2007|18:21( ianmcorvidae) Random interjection, I'm probably some degree of member of this team, too, or at least a collaborator. Sun,29.04.2007|18:21( johnc4510) any comments folks questions for br Sun,29.04.2007|18:21( br24) I do have a question for everyone Sun,29.04.2007|18:21( seamless) Is there a place on the wiki to submit application requests/ideas for you to look into? Sun,29.04.2007|18:21( johnc4510) go Sun,29.04.2007|18:21( DX00) really look forwared to seeing where you go, gratz br24 Sun,29.04.2007|18:21( br24) is anyone using/have used vmware? Sun,29.04.2007|18:21( seamless) I have. Sun,29.04.2007|18:22( ToddB) I have a little bit. Sun,29.04.2007|18:22( DX00) i have Sun,29.04.2007|18:22( trmentry) i know a hold up for some on switching to linux is gaming. gaming is a big thing for me... so why I sitll will dual boot Sun,29.04.2007|18:22( ianmcorvidae) Unsuccesfully :P Sun,29.04.2007|18:22( trmentry) ihave vmware server installed at home on a gentoo box Sun,29.04.2007|18:22( trmentry) running xp and 2003 Sun,29.04.2007|18:22( trmentry) that i use as rdp bastions Sun,29.04.2007|18:22( johnc4510) br24: not sure i understand question Sun,29.04.2007|18:22( huertanix) I use vmware virtual machines at work; win2k3 Sun,29.04.2007|18:22( br24) johnc4510, I want to know who has used vmware Sun,29.04.2007|18:22( br24) myself, I have used vista Sun,29.04.2007|18:22( SloggerKhan) I have Sun,29.04.2007|18:22( SloggerKhan) not for windows, tho. Sun,29.04.2007|18:23( br24) still have xp, 2k3 server Sun,29.04.2007|18:23( SloggerKhan) I use wine for games Sun,29.04.2007|18:23( johnc4510) br24: i see, when you make up your wiki page include a section for that Sun,29.04.2007|18:23( br24) and other flavors of *nix Sun,29.04.2007|18:23( azteech) ?help Sun,29.04.2007|18:23>> SignOff: azteech ["Leaving"] Sun,29.04.2007|18:23( trmentry) sloggerkhan how does wine compare to cedega? Sun,29.04.2007|18:23( johnc4510) we will post our question there is that what you had in mind? Sun,29.04.2007|18:23( ToddB) I have a question if we're done on the current one. Sun,29.04.2007|18:24( SloggerKhan) Never used cedega Sun,29.04.2007|18:24( br24) from my knowledge, wine is free and cedega isnt Sun,29.04.2007|18:24( seamless) Cedega works much better for games. Sun,29.04.2007|18:24( br24) so Ive heard Sun,29.04.2007|18:24( br24) but I think that kinda takes away from the concept of Ubuntu Sun,29.04.2007|18:24( seamless) How does it and VMWare not? Sun,29.04.2007|18:24( ianmcorvidae) Cedega works better, generally, but it's quite thoroughly a perversion of open source ideology, heh. Sun,29.04.2007|18:25( br24) seamless, we are looking to converting people to Ubuntu Sun,29.04.2007|18:25( trmentry) i've never been able to get games to run in vmware Sun,29.04.2007|18:25( trmentry) due to the vmware using stripped down video drivers, etc. Sun,29.04.2007|18:25>> azteech joins #ubuntu-arizona Sun,29.04.2007|18:25( trmentry) i've tried. :) Sun,29.04.2007|18:25( ianmcorvidae) welcome, azteech. Sun,29.04.2007|18:25( br24) while cedega is preferred in the gaming side, not everyone plays games Sun,29.04.2007|18:25( johnc4510) azteech: hello Sun,29.04.2007|18:26( azteech) dang ... frozen xchat. had to reboot. Sorry I am late all. Sun,29.04.2007|18:26( johnc4510) azteech: you'll have to catch up Sun,29.04.2007|18:26( azteech) tks ian and john. Sun,29.04.2007|18:26( br24) and I would think its hard to convince somebody to go to something that is free, yet pay for something like cedega Sun,29.04.2007|18:26( azteech) was going to, which is why I set away, but froze. Sun,29.04.2007|18:26( br24) sorry, hello azteech Sun,29.04.2007|18:26( azteech) hi br24 Sun,29.04.2007|18:26( johnc4510) br24: did you see my msg about creating a section on your wiki page? Sun,29.04.2007|18:26( johnc4510) for questions Sun,29.04.2007|18:26( seamless) br24, it is the best option and we have already had one person say that they don't fully convert because of games since this meeting started. Sun,29.04.2007|18:26( ToddB) What other Windows applications do we consider essential that have no reliable *nix/open source alternative? Sun,29.04.2007|18:27( br24) I will take care of that Sun,29.04.2007|18:27( ianmcorvidae) Long story short, Cedega and TransGaming used a flaw in the license for Wine at the time to effectively remove it from open source and then sell it without releasing a current and viable source code. Sun,29.04.2007|18:27( azteech) anyone mention tax type software? Sun,29.04.2007|18:27( br24) that is one I am aware of Sun,29.04.2007|18:27( br24) the other "might" be sewing apps Sun,29.04.2007|18:27( johnc4510) azteech: yes that is really lacking on linux Sun,29.04.2007|18:27( trmentry) isn't some tax software web based now? Sun,29.04.2007|18:27( seamless) ian, you can get the full source for Cedega with the proprietary parts removed. Sun,29.04.2007|18:28( azteech) trmentry, yes. Sun,29.04.2007|18:28( ianmcorvidae) I've heard of problems with Rhapsody, but that it can be used with WINE. Sun,29.04.2007|18:28( johnc4510) i think turbo tax you can run from the web site Sun,29.04.2007|18:28( br24) most people buy the disk though Sun,29.04.2007|18:28( trmentry) not that i have an ipod... but itunes? Sun,29.04.2007|18:28( ianmcorvidae) seamless: My knowledge is that that is a quite outdated version, and that the process for getting a worthwhile copy is arduous and annoying. Sun,29.04.2007|18:28( ianmcorvidae) But anyway. Sun,29.04.2007|18:28( seamless) ian, it's CVS only. Sun,29.04.2007|18:28( azteech) also, there is a version (I believe) of taxcut online as well. Sun,29.04.2007|18:29( ianmcorvidae) iPods do work with other software such as GTKpod, but there is not iTunes per se, much as there is not Windows Media Player. Sun,29.04.2007|18:29( ianmcorvidae) There is an online version; it costs a bit more, though. Sun,29.04.2007|18:29( johnc4510) well, looks like br will have his hands full :) :) Sun,29.04.2007|18:29( huertanix) Rythmbox (sp) will work with most iPods. Sun,29.04.2007|18:29( SloggerKhan) I wouldn't worry about itunes. R-box needs better support Sun,29.04.2007|18:29( br24) hehehe Sun,29.04.2007|18:29( azteech) true ian. One reason I buy the cd version, is if I have a problem (irs comes after me, for some unknown reason) then I can always load it up from cd, and not have to pray the online version still works. Sun,29.04.2007|18:30( SloggerKhan) but works and has 2 music stores, more or less. Sun,29.04.2007|18:30( ianmcorvidae) Yep. Sun,29.04.2007|18:30( johnc4510) any other questions for br? Sun,29.04.2007|18:30( johnc4510) next item on agenda Sun,29.04.2007|18:30( ToddB) Don't think so. Sun,29.04.2007|18:30( johnc4510) Newsletter Team Sun,29.04.2007|18:30( johnc4510) Team Leader-johnc4510 Team Member-rs3 Sun,29.04.2007|18:30( br24) one sec Sun,29.04.2007|18:30( br24) sorry john Sun,29.04.2007|18:31( johnc4510) ok Sun,29.04.2007|18:31( br24) would anyone like to assist me? Sun,29.04.2007|18:31( DX00) another thing i would suggest looking for is subscription based network that can be used to purchanse music Sun,29.04.2007|18:31( DX00) not necessarily itunes stores Sun,29.04.2007|18:31( ianmcorvidae) br24: Well, as I said, I'm kinda half-member. Sun,29.04.2007|18:31( ToddB) br, considering wherelse I'm needed, I'd be willing to help advise the team Sun,29.04.2007|18:31( br24) very true Sun,29.04.2007|18:31( ianmcorvidae) I'm certainly willing to be a tester, contribute what I already know, et cetera. Sun,29.04.2007|18:31( DX00) but i've looked for another service like that where i can purchase music online Sun,29.04.2007|18:32( br24) Im sorry johnc4510, I will let you decide on that Sun,29.04.2007|18:32( br24) I am finished Sun,29.04.2007|18:32( DX00) but i have not been successful on finding anything that will work with OSS Sun,29.04.2007|18:32( johnc4510) no prob Sun,29.04.2007|18:32( SloggerKhan) magnatune... Sun,29.04.2007|18:32( johnc4510) johnc playing catch up :( Sun,29.04.2007|18:33( azteech) lol john. Sun,29.04.2007|18:33( johnc4510) The most important announcement of the Newsletter Team is that very shortly, rs3 will be taking over as head of this Team. Alright, alright, try to keep the applause down. You don't have to be so obvious about being glad I'm out!! Sun,29.04.2007|18:33( azteech) bet not as much as I have to john. Sun,29.04.2007|18:33( johnc4510) Seriously though, I know rs3 is as happy to get this assignment as I am to be rid of it. Let's all wish him the best!! Sun,29.04.2007|18:33>> ZachPHX joins #ubuntu-arizona Sun,29.04.2007|18:33( johnc4510) anybody seen rs Sun,29.04.2007|18:33( azteech) congrats, rs3 Sun,29.04.2007|18:33( johnc4510) ZachPHX: welcome Sun,29.04.2007|18:33( ZachPHX) hello Sun,29.04.2007|18:34( ianmcorvidae) Welcome, Zach. Sun,29.04.2007|18:34( johnc4510) why don't you introduce yourself Sun,29.04.2007|18:34( br24) hello ZachPHX Sun,29.04.2007|18:34( azteech) ZachPHX: welcome Sun,29.04.2007|18:34( johnc4510) we've already started Sun,29.04.2007|18:34( ZachPHX) thank you all. Sun,29.04.2007|18:34( ZachPHX) I'm Zach from Phoenix, president of the ASULUG. Sun,29.04.2007|18:34( ZachPHX) john in here somewhere is my treasurer. im sure you all know him Sun,29.04.2007|18:34( seamless) :-) Sun,29.04.2007|18:35( azteech) glad to see you all here. Sun,29.04.2007|18:35( ZachPHX) yep, so i'll at least look to see what y'all have to say if nothing else Sun,29.04.2007|18:35( johnc4510) i believe we met him Sun,29.04.2007|18:35( johnc4510) huertanix right Sun,29.04.2007|18:35( johnc4510) glad to have you Sun,29.04.2007|18:36( johnc4510) next items are some proposed teams Sun,29.04.2007|18:36( johnc4510) Computer Recycle Team: The goals of this team would be two fold. 1.The gathering and recycling of old computers so that we could install Ubuntu or Edubuntu and then donate these computers to the Indian Reservations here in Arizona. 2.A secondary goal would be to develop an application to help the reservations to document their language and history. I believe that this is a very worthy project for our loco to develop. The floor is Sun,29.04.2007|18:36( johnc4510) now open to discussion of this proposal. Sun,29.04.2007|18:36( ianmcorvidae) Seems to be a good idea to me, if someone's willing to take it on. Sun,29.04.2007|18:37( SloggerKhan) I think this would be a very long term sort of thing. Sun,29.04.2007|18:37( br24) yes it would be Sun,29.04.2007|18:37( SloggerKhan) At least so far as part 2 goes Sun,29.04.2007|18:37( johnc4510) dang, can't find notes Sun,29.04.2007|18:37( br24) johnc4510, dont forget about the newsletter Sun,29.04.2007|18:37( azteech) are we looking to target all reservations? Sun,29.04.2007|18:37( johnc4510) yes Sun,29.04.2007|18:37( SloggerKhan) We need to do some research. Sun,29.04.2007|18:38( ZachPHX) don't forget someone would have to support people with problems they might have and training for whoever these computers go to Sun,29.04.2007|18:38( ZachPHX) and for the reservation app Sun,29.04.2007|18:38( johnc4510) i can't remember who brought this idea up and can't find notes Sun,29.04.2007|18:38( br24) and there might need to be some training involved Sun,29.04.2007|18:38( johnc4510) john apologizes Sun,29.04.2007|18:38( ianmcorvidae) Slogger, in the forum, as I recall. Sun,29.04.2007|18:38( ianmcorvidae) At least for the second part. Sun,29.04.2007|18:39( azteech) see training as an on-going evolution, not just short term Sun,29.04.2007|18:39( SloggerKhan) It was me, I think. Mostly I was wondering if we help Navajo create a navajo localization. Sun,29.04.2007|18:39( azteech) ian: that is who i believe also. Sun,29.04.2007|18:39( SloggerKhan) If they felt that something such was needed. Sun,29.04.2007|18:39( johnc4510) that's right sorry slogg Sun,29.04.2007|18:39( ianmcorvidae) Random: There is an ISO code for Navajo, although none of the other tribes I know. Sun,29.04.2007|18:40( ianmcorvidae) Also, there's already a KDE localization for Navajo, although no GNOME one. Sun,29.04.2007|18:40( johnc4510) so now that i have been hunting notes, lost all of what is going on Sun,29.04.2007|18:40( johnc4510) is this a good idea guys Sun,29.04.2007|18:40( trmentry) having worked for a fed agency that helped native americans, i can say that nothing moves fast on decisions on the reservations at least from what i saw from IT persepective. Sun,29.04.2007|18:40( johnc4510) i think so Sun,29.04.2007|18:40( ianmcorvidae) Do we have a plan for who is leading this? Sun,29.04.2007|18:40( trmentry) i think it is a good idea.. but will be a lot of talking with the tribes, etc. Sun,29.04.2007|18:40( SloggerKhan) I would be willing to get some prelim info, as I do know a number of Navajo. Sun,29.04.2007|18:41( johnc4510) could we start with the computer donations and work into language stuff? Sun,29.04.2007|18:41( azteech) might I suggest we contact the local Feds on how to best start the idea? Sun,29.04.2007|18:41( br24) what is the possibility of some organization/entity that sees the project and decides to assist? Sun,29.04.2007|18:41( SloggerKhan) I think contacting the feds is the wrong way to go about it. Sun,29.04.2007|18:41( SloggerKhan) The Navajo have their own government. Sun,29.04.2007|18:41( johnc4510) i think contact res first Sun,29.04.2007|18:41( trmentry) all tribes do. Sun,29.04.2007|18:42( ianmcorvidae) More bureaucracy isn't what we need, either. Sun,29.04.2007|18:42( azteech) understood, all have their own local governmental bodies. just not wanting to step on toes either ... is all. Sun,29.04.2007|18:42( SloggerKhan) I suspect that we really need to find out if the PEOPLE are interested in such a thing more than their government. Sun,29.04.2007|18:42( br24) I wasnt thinking about contacting somebody, I was just thinking some organization might see us doing this Sun,29.04.2007|18:42( br24) providing we get that far Sun,29.04.2007|18:42( ianmcorvidae) Yeah, it's not a bad idea. Sun,29.04.2007|18:42( ianmcorvidae) We'd probably need to look for such an organization, though. Sun,29.04.2007|18:42( trmentry) AFAIK - BIA is the Fed Agency with getting schools, etc setup for tribes on the reservations. Sun,29.04.2007|18:43( johnc4510) SloggerKhan: seems like a good idea, please check out options and get back to us I like it!! Sun,29.04.2007|18:43( SloggerKhan) Will do so. Sun,29.04.2007|18:44( ianmcorvidae) Next? Sun,29.04.2007|18:44( johnc4510) next item server team. i will post a short outline of direction i see and then let dx have the floor Sun,29.04.2007|18:44( johnc4510) Server Team: Because of my lack of knowledge in this area, I will not list any goals for this team now. What I will tell you is that we have been very generously offered the use of a server by DeLUG. I am sure there are many ways we can put this offer to good use. Two obvious ways I can think of to use this offer are: 1.An educational/instructional tool to teach IT Aministration to our members. 2. As a web hosting tool for furture Sun,29.04.2007|18:44( johnc4510) loco web pages that we might develop. This last would also enable us to branch off a team into Web Page Development. At this time I am going to give the floor to DX00 to further enlighten us on how we lucked into this offer of a server, and to tell us in more detail how we use and benefit from this opportunity. DX00 the floor is yours with member questions and responses to follow. Sun,29.04.2007|18:44( johnc4510) DX00: is that correct dx Sun,29.04.2007|18:45( DX00) thanx johnc4510 Sun,29.04.2007|18:45( DX00) yes Sun,29.04.2007|18:45( DX00) huertanix is the current president for the Devry Linux Users Group Sun,29.04.2007|18:46( DX00) and i'm a member Sun,29.04.2007|18:46( DX00) a server was donated to the group a while ago for whatever needs might be for the group Sun,29.04.2007|18:46( DX00) since, we haven't really used it Sun,29.04.2007|18:47( DX00) one idea we had was to build a web server Sun,29.04.2007|18:47( DX00) using this server Sun,29.04.2007|18:48( DX00) the main idea, as stated by johnc4510, is to use it to train and learn how to set up servers using linux Sun,29.04.2007|18:48( DX00) Ubuntu in this case Sun,29.04.2007|18:48( johnc4510) floor open to comments on how we could use this Sun,29.04.2007|18:48( DX00) and since ubuntu does have a server version, i think this would be a really good project where we can all learn a lot from Sun,29.04.2007|18:48( br24) which servers? Sun,29.04.2007|18:48( ianmcorvidae) Would this be something for people nearby to the area only, or might there be ssh-based tutorials? Sun,29.04.2007|18:48( ToddB) I like the idea, what web server would we use? Sun,29.04.2007|18:49( ianmcorvidae) There is a donated server. Sun,29.04.2007|18:49( ToddB) No, I mean what daemon. Sun,29.04.2007|18:49( ianmcorvidae) AH. Sun,29.04.2007|18:49( DX00) My thoughts are doing a LAMP server Sun,29.04.2007|18:49( br24) my thoughts exactly Sun,29.04.2007|18:49( ToddB) Sounds like a good plan to me. What Apache branch? Sun,29.04.2007|18:49( azteech) second the thought Sun,29.04.2007|18:50( ianmcorvidae) I'd guess whatever's included with the Ubuntu Server LAMP version. Sun,29.04.2007|18:50( DX00) we can really look at that later Sun,29.04.2007|18:50( br24) what about an MTA? Sun,29.04.2007|18:50( ToddB) For the record, I'd like to advise against using 2.x. Sun,29.04.2007|18:50( DX00) we could also compile apache, php, and mysql, very good experience there Sun,29.04.2007|18:50( ianmcorvidae) True. Sun,29.04.2007|18:50( ToddB) I'd prefer we do that instead of using apt-get. Sun,29.04.2007|18:51( huertanix) I concur Sun,29.04.2007|18:51( br24) any reason why ToddB? Sun,29.04.2007|18:51( ianmcorvidae) Well, Ubuntu Server it isn't even apt-get; it's included with the distro. Sun,29.04.2007|18:51( br24) just out of curiousity Sun,29.04.2007|18:51( ianmcorvidae) But yes, I agree. Sun,29.04.2007|18:51( ianmcorvidae) It's more universally applicable, and you have more control over what versions you use. Sun,29.04.2007|18:51( huertanix) actually, on second thought, that might make doing security upgrades trickier... Sun,29.04.2007|18:51( ToddB) I feel compiling the server from source offers a greater amount of experience. Sun,29.04.2007|18:51( trmentry) can install kibitz and people can then share ssh session with eashother Sun,29.04.2007|18:51( br24) I do agree with your idea ToddB Sun,29.04.2007|18:51( ToddB) Along with allowing greater customization. Sun,29.04.2007|18:51( DX00) we can also include vmware software Sun,29.04.2007|18:52( DX00) and have several installations Sun,29.04.2007|18:52( ianmcorvidae) For the use of the WINE/VMware team, as well. Sun,29.04.2007|18:52( ianmcorvidae) Presumably. Sun,29.04.2007|18:52( azteech) one ?, does the server have enough capacity to host pages, as well as double (maybe temp) as email server for the group? Sun,29.04.2007|18:52( DX00) not sure Sun,29.04.2007|18:52( ianmcorvidae) Don't suppose specs are handy? Sun,29.04.2007|18:52( DX00) huertanix any idea? Sun,29.04.2007|18:53( DX00) i haven't looked at the server yet, but huertanix might now them Sun,29.04.2007|18:53( azteech) ian: agreed. we may need to look at specs of server, to see its capabilities. Sun,29.04.2007|18:53( huertanix) Its an old Dell rackmount server, around 1GHz with less than 1GB of RAM. Sun,29.04.2007|18:53( ToddB) Something else I'd like to see with this is perhaps CVS and/or SVN. Sun,29.04.2007|18:53( br24) so are we looking at connecting it through ssh, or use some other tool, say webmin? Sun,29.04.2007|18:53( huertanix) I can't recall exactly how much HD space it had. Sun,29.04.2007|18:53( ToddB) I'd advise against webmin. Sun,29.04.2007|18:54( huertanix) Yes, webmin is a Sun,29.04.2007|18:54( br24) I do agree with that Sun,29.04.2007|18:54( azteech) another ?. what is the connection speed (if connection is available) at this time? Sun,29.04.2007|18:54( DX00) i think doing a vmware would be good Sun,29.04.2007|18:54( ianmcorvidae) CVS/SVN/Bazaar would be good. Sun,29.04.2007|18:54( ianmcorvidae) Everything's good, really. Sun,29.04.2007|18:54( DX00) that way we can install all kinds of stuff on one virtual server Sun,29.04.2007|18:54( DX00) if anything just for learning Sun,29.04.2007|18:54( ianmcorvidae) The goal is an all-around useful learning tool. Sun,29.04.2007|18:54( ianmcorvidae) Yep. Sun,29.04.2007|18:54( johnc4510) ok, looks like it is a go, dx we'll let you work with Delug and lets us know anything we need to know. And a special thanks for the other from our visitors right guys!! Sun,29.04.2007|18:54( ianmcorvidae) Indeed :) Sun,29.04.2007|18:55( johnc4510) everyone agreed? Sun,29.04.2007|18:55( azteech) Indeed :) Sun,29.04.2007|18:55* ianmcorvidae says I Sun,29.04.2007|18:55( SloggerKhan) sounds fine Sun,29.04.2007|18:55( ToddB) DX - I'd like to get on that team, talk to me after. Sun,29.04.2007|18:55( johnc4510) good Sun,29.04.2007|18:55( br24) thats a 10-5 Sun,29.04.2007|18:55( johnc4510) next item Sun,29.04.2007|18:55( br24) 10-4 to be exact Sun,29.04.2007|18:55( azteech) lol Sun,29.04.2007|18:55( johnc4510) Thread Team: This team's goals would be to keep an eye on the loco's forum thread and investigate other loco teams sites for ideas that we could incorporate into our: forum web site, wiki page, furture web page, etc. They would generally keep an eye out for any information that would help us to improve our loco, benefit our project teams and increase our knowledge and membership. Scouts so to speak. The floor is now open to discus Sun,29.04.2007|18:55( johnc4510) sion of this proposal. Sun,29.04.2007|18:55( DX00) k todd Sun,29.04.2007|18:56( ianmcorvidae) Sounds like a good idea, as usual as long as we have some good forum-crawlers to implement it :) Sun,29.04.2007|18:56( ianmcorvidae) Might I include the Wiki as well as the Forums in that proposal? Sun,29.04.2007|18:56( johnc4510) this is kind of a strange team, but might be helpful Sun,29.04.2007|18:56( ianmcorvidae) Ideas == Good, I figure. Sun,29.04.2007|18:56( johnc4510) ianmcorvidae: sure Sun,29.04.2007|18:56( ToddB) Honestly, I think that kind of scouting should be left up to the teams that are working on those projects. Sun,29.04.2007|18:57>> Vorian is now known as LordVorian Sun,29.04.2007|18:57( br24) I kinda think of it as a possible way of developing relationships with other teams Sun,29.04.2007|18:57( azteech) lol vorian Sun,29.04.2007|18:57( johnc4510) ToddB: good point Sun,29.04.2007|18:57( ToddB) From a development standpoint, it doesn't make a lot of sense. Sun,29.04.2007|18:57( johnc4510) br24: how much interaction would there be? Sun,29.04.2007|18:57( ToddB) Sorry to be the Devil's Advocate. Sun,29.04.2007|18:58( johnc4510) ToddB: no prob Sun,29.04.2007|18:58( br24) there could be some at first Sun,29.04.2007|18:58( azteech) do we now have forum moderators? Sun,29.04.2007|18:58( br24) exchanging thoughts/ideas Sun,29.04.2007|18:58( ianmcorvidae) No problem, Todd :) Sun,29.04.2007|18:58( br24) kinda like with Vorian Sun,29.04.2007|18:58( johnc4510) br24: no Sun,29.04.2007|18:59( azteech) or is this to be the focal point of the team? Sun,29.04.2007|18:59( johnc4510) should we research this more, or vote? Sun,29.04.2007|18:59( johnc4510) someone Sun,29.04.2007|19:00>> LordVorian is now known as heHATEme Sun,29.04.2007|19:00( SloggerKhan) not exactly sure the idea is clear Sun,29.04.2007|19:00>> Polygon89 joins #ubuntu-arizona Sun,29.04.2007|19:00( br24) so what are you thinking what should take place? Sun,29.04.2007|19:00( azteech) believe we need to do more research johnC Sun,29.04.2007|19:00( ianmcorvidae) agreed. Sun,29.04.2007|19:00( ToddB) Let's table this for now. Sun,29.04.2007|19:00( br24) its a little unclear with me now Sun,29.04.2007|19:00( ianmcorvidae) Also, welcome Polygon. Sun,29.04.2007|19:00( Polygon89) had to eat dinner Sun,29.04.2007|19:00( johnc4510) okay lets not scrap it but table it for now OK? Sun,29.04.2007|19:00* ianmcorvidae says I. Sun,29.04.2007|19:00( ToddB) Agreed. Sun,29.04.2007|19:00( johnc4510) Polygon89: hi Sun,29.04.2007|19:00( Polygon89) yo. Sun,29.04.2007|19:00( azteech) evening polygon Sun,29.04.2007|19:00( br24) hey poly Sun,29.04.2007|19:01( ianmcorvidae) Next item? Sun,29.04.2007|19:01( johnc4510) next item Sun,29.04.2007|19:01( Polygon89) which is..? Sun,29.04.2007|19:01( johnc4510) Agenda for next week? Sun,29.04.2007|19:01( br24) were you going to say anything about the newsletter? Sun,29.04.2007|19:01( ianmcorvidae) Um, lemme say a few things, if that's the end of your agenda. Sun,29.04.2007|19:02( johnc4510) thread team and recycle team rehash Sun,29.04.2007|19:02( johnc4510) already did Sun,29.04.2007|19:02( br24) um, I dont think you got very far Sun,29.04.2007|19:02( br24) I interrupted you Sun,29.04.2007|19:02( johnc4510) was there something else ian Sun,29.04.2007|19:02( johnc4510) no prob Sun,29.04.2007|19:02( ianmcorvidae) Yeah, something I wanted to say, heh. Sun,29.04.2007|19:02( johnc4510) okay newsletter again Sun,29.04.2007|19:03( johnc4510) ianmcorvidae: go Sun,29.04.2007|19:03( ianmcorvidae) Everyone: On the Wiki, please add yourselves to ArizonaTeam/Members if you are not there, or create a homepage and link it if you are. Sun,29.04.2007|19:03( ianmcorvidae) We need an accurate listing of our members. Sun,29.04.2007|19:03( ianmcorvidae) That is all. Sun,29.04.2007|19:04( ianmcorvidae) Also, john: logo. Sun,29.04.2007|19:04( azteech) believe I have finished with updating mine for now, ian. Sun,29.04.2007|19:04( johnc4510) ianmcorvidae: right on thanks for that also everyone get their personal wiki page going Sun,29.04.2007|19:04( johnc4510) back to agenda? Sun,29.04.2007|19:04( ianmcorvidae) Yep, several folks have it, but making sure everyone does it. Sun,29.04.2007|19:04( ianmcorvidae) Agenda for next week, or this week? Sun,29.04.2007|19:04( azteech) understood :P Sun,29.04.2007|19:05( johnc4510) rehash of recycle team and thread team what else Sun,29.04.2007|19:05( ianmcorvidae) Well, for this week, we still need to mention the logo :P Sun,29.04.2007|19:05( johnc4510) ofcourse summaries from teams Sun,29.04.2007|19:05( johnc4510) coming up Sun,29.04.2007|19:05( johnc4510) this is next wks agends Sun,29.04.2007|19:05( ianmcorvidae) But may I suggest that we make agenda for next week a wiki page, and we can edit it as needed throughout the weekL Sun,29.04.2007|19:05( ianmcorvidae) That way, it is also public. Sun,29.04.2007|19:06( Polygon89) that works. Sun,29.04.2007|19:06( br24) I agree with ian Sun,29.04.2007|19:06( ianmcorvidae) I'd be willing to make that, as well as post logs for meetings. Sun,29.04.2007|19:06( johnc4510) good, and that's what i'm trying to get started here sorry if not clear Sun,29.04.2007|19:06( azteech) agreed. Sun,29.04.2007|19:06( ianmcorvidae) Yep. Sun,29.04.2007|19:06( johnc4510) ideas please Sun,29.04.2007|19:06( SloggerKhan) there's still logo Sun,29.04.2007|19:06( ianmcorvidae) So, rehash of teams and team reports; although this is not covered yet, there will be a logo section next week. Sun,29.04.2007|19:07( johnc4510) yes to be addressed in a moment Sun,29.04.2007|19:07( ianmcorvidae) Not sure what else. Sun,29.04.2007|19:07( johnc4510) announcements Sun,29.04.2007|19:07( johnc4510) if any Sun,29.04.2007|19:07( ianmcorvidae) Of course. Sun,29.04.2007|19:07( azteech) maybe something along lines of team inputs to newsletter Sun,29.04.2007|19:07( johnc4510) welcome of visitors Sun,29.04.2007|19:08( johnc4510) azteech: GOOD IDEA Sun,29.04.2007|19:08( ianmcorvidae) azteech: True. Throw that in with team reports, I'd say. Sun,29.04.2007|19:08( azteech) along the lines of what I was thinking. Sun,29.04.2007|19:08( johnc4510) got it anything else Sun,29.04.2007|19:09( azteech) server status update? Sun,29.04.2007|19:09( johnc4510) i may add to these ideas, if i do i will let ian know to add to page Sun,29.04.2007|19:09( Polygon89) server? Sun,29.04.2007|19:09( johnc4510) azteech: that too Sun,29.04.2007|19:09( azteech) lol poly. Sun,29.04.2007|19:09( Polygon89) <- confused Sun,29.04.2007|19:09( ianmcorvidae) Polygon89: That's an approved team, so that'll be in with team reports. Sun,29.04.2007|19:09( ianmcorvidae) Anyone may edit the agenda. Sun,29.04.2007|19:09( ianmcorvidae) That's the point. Sun,29.04.2007|19:09( azteech) yes, we have opportunity of use of a donated server, offered by the Devry LUG. Sun,29.04.2007|19:10( Polygon89) ah. Sun,29.04.2007|19:10( Polygon89) cool Sun,29.04.2007|19:10( DX00) oh, sorry Sun,29.04.2007|19:10( ianmcorvidae) Oh, yeah. You were gone. Sun,29.04.2007|19:10>> heHATEme is now known as Vorian Sun,29.04.2007|19:10( johnc4510) next item Sun,29.04.2007|19:10( johnc4510) Team Logo: The one we have up on the wiki is not officially accepted by the team yet. There are some rules to the logo and trademark from Conical. Here is the Page: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy At the bottom is the Logo Useage Section. As far as I know those are the only rules, but we plan on asking Vorian if there are others. You can submit your logo images thru Saturday of this week. Next Sunday we will decid Sun,29.04.2007|19:10( johnc4510) e on the official logo for Ubuntu-Arizona Team. Sun,29.04.2007|19:10( Polygon89) ok Sun,29.04.2007|19:11( johnc4510) ianmcorvidae: add to agenda vote on logo Sun,29.04.2007|19:11( ianmcorvidae) Yep, I know. Sun,29.04.2007|19:11( johnc4510) does this meet with everyones approval? Sun,29.04.2007|19:11( johnc4510) on the logo Sun,29.04.2007|19:11( SloggerKhan) fine w/me Sun,29.04.2007|19:11( azteech) Vorian said he learned things in a discussion with the marketing folks at Conical. Might I suggest we may want to talk with them, before we make final selection? Sun,29.04.2007|19:11>> ngtmagicks joins #ubuntu-arizona Sun,29.04.2007|19:11( johnc4510) ngtmagicks: hi Sun,29.04.2007|19:12( ngtmagicks) johnc4510: greetings Sun,29.04.2007|19:12( ianmcorvidae) Vorian: you around? Sun,29.04.2007|19:12( azteech) hi ngtmagicks Sun,29.04.2007|19:12( johnc4510) ngtmagicks: please introduce yourself Sun,29.04.2007|19:12* Vorian is backreading Sun,29.04.2007|19:12( Vorian) logo Sun,29.04.2007|19:12( ngtmagicks) I'm Nightmagicks aka Mike out of Queen Creek Az Sun,29.04.2007|19:12( Vorian) Mark is very protective of the CoF logo Sun,29.04.2007|19:12( Vorian) ngtmagicks, i used to live in power ranch Sun,29.04.2007|19:13( ngtmagicks) currently running a dual boot on my desktop and my thinkpad is solo kubuntu Vorian cool Sun,29.04.2007|19:13( johnc4510) nice to have you here ngtmagicks Sun,29.04.2007|19:13( ngtmagicks) Vorian: used to? Sun,29.04.2007|19:13* Vorian is in Ohio now Sun,29.04.2007|19:13( Vorian) :( Sun,29.04.2007|19:13( johnc4510) ngtmagicks: welcome Sun,29.04.2007|19:13( ToddB) Hey, guys, I've gotta dip out. Sun,29.04.2007|19:13( ianmcorvidae) later, Todd. Sun,29.04.2007|19:13( johnc4510) bye Sun,29.04.2007|19:13( ToddB) DX - we'll be in touch about the server thing. Sun,29.04.2007|19:13( Polygon89) laters Sun,29.04.2007|19:13( ianmcorvidae) logs will be up later on the wiki. Sun,29.04.2007|19:13( SloggerKhan) later Sun,29.04.2007|19:13( DX00) todd, send me an email Sun,29.04.2007|19:14( johnc4510) just a couple of last things guys Sun,29.04.2007|19:14( DX00) with your info Sun,29.04.2007|19:14( ToddB) is your address on the wiki? Sun,29.04.2007|19:14( DX00) ssjgolleta@anima-web.us Sun,29.04.2007|19:14( johnc4510) We are almost finished, but first, I want to thank all the new folks who attended tonights meeting, we look forward to getting to know you better. Sun,29.04.2007|19:14( ToddB) ok, I'll take care of that Sun,29.04.2007|19:14( ToddB) later guys Sun,29.04.2007|19:14( trmentry) i need to jump out for a bit too... something about feeding the kid. :) ttyl Sun,29.04.2007|19:14( ngtmagicks) sorry to be late. I forgot it wasn't at 7 Sun,29.04.2007|19:14( DX00) latz Sun,29.04.2007|19:14( SloggerKhan) later Sun,29.04.2007|19:14( johnc4510) johnc trying to run meeting over chatter Sun,29.04.2007|19:14( johnc4510) We are almost finished, but first, I want to thank all the new folks who attended tonights meeting, we look forward to getting to know you better. Sun,29.04.2007|19:14>> trmentry is now known as trmentry|AFK Sun,29.04.2007|19:15( johnc4510) and finally Sun,29.04.2007|19:15( johnc4510) Finally I would like to thank all the members who have worked so hard this week. You have all gone above and beyond in getting your projects started. johnc4510 gives everyone of you a big hand, a slap on the back and lots of :) :) :) 's. You EARNED it!!!!!!!!! Meeting ends }}} ---- '''Parent pages:''' [[ArizonaTeam/Meetings]] [[ArizonaTeam]] ---- CategoryArizonaTeam